It’s not that though, is it.

its a norway deal without FOM

but labour conference backed FOM, so if he wants the access of a Norway deal he’ll have to concede the FOM of the Norway deal (which is a benefit to the country anyway….) & he can just say that conference voted for it

why aren’t opposition parties or the media highlighting this to the electorate?

The media are entirely complicit and the leader of the opposition is planning (in the very unlikely event of getting elected) on putting what will end up being a very similar deal back to the electorate, which as a lifelong Brexiteer he will enthusiastically champion.

If Labour would get off the fence on Brexit they could get my vote, despite Corbin, who I think is a danger to the country. But without that clarity, I cannot vote for them.

What fence? They’ve said they’ll sort out a basic withdrawal agreement, put that to a legally binding referendum & go with that result.

I genuinely think that’s the only way forward on Brexit now. Do you have a better idea?

Have a look at this website – https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ it might help.

But without that clarity, I cannot vote for them.

I hear this a lot. Many people see what is in front of them as Johnson’s Brexit or Corbyn’s Brexit. Given the choice, I’d pick the latter… but others see that as the worst possible path. Why would a previously Tory voter, who can see the unavoidable damage of Brexit, vote Labour at this election if they see that as likely to result in Brexit still happening, but with Corbyn &Milne &Murray &Len &Co in charge?

You’re a strong remainer and are still conflicted on who to vote for in a Tory/labour seat???

Because…

Corbyn &Co.
And their Brexit.
You’ll get it eventually Daz.

So I genuinely have a dilemma.

If leave / remain is genuinely the biggest issue for you:

Don’t look at the country, look at your own constituency. See who’s the biggest threat to the Tories locally, hold your nose and vote for them whoever it is.

As I’ve said before, for me it’s an easy choice. I’m in a Labour seat which for years has consistently held a majority over the Tories by just a couple of hundred votes. Everyone else is a long way behind. Doing anything other than voting Labour, including not voting at all, is effectively a vote for the Tory party for me.

Bollox. Anyone using this as an excuse to not vote labour

Time and again I see posts from people who seem to be just looking for excuses (not just here but generally). Iraq war, tuition fees, Corbyn, etc etc.

You might think Corbyn is literally Beelzebub incarnate but this is a general election with stakes that could impact the lives your grandchildren’s kids, not a popularity contest.

On brexit, again there is only one rational choice if you’re a remainer.

Yes. Vote tactically against the Tories.

If you want to stop brexit, there is only one way to do it, and only one party offering it.

Correct, but those two statements may not carry the same answer.

If you want to stop brexit, there is only one way to do it, and only one party offering it.

LibDem are the only big party offering it. But I don’t think that’s what you meant.

Have received one campaign leaflet – from the tories; wasted on me as I won’t be voting for their candidate.
No doorstepping by any candidates; I’m wfh for a while so unlikely I’ve missed any campaigners.
That suggests apathy on the part of candidates.
If there was ever an election where parties should be out there campaigning and drumming up support, it’s this one.

Campaigners are volunteers. If you think there’s not enough political volunteer action going on in your area, pick a party and volunteer for them.

If you can’t be arsed, why should anyone else bother?

If you want to be a self-interested ****

Which party are you saying is the one to vote for in my own best interests and which are the ones that aren’t in my self-interest?

I’m in a tory held constituency which was leave at the referendum.
Have received one campaign leaflet – from the tories; wasted on me as I won’t be voting for their candidate.
No doorstepping by any candidates; I’m wfh for a while so unlikely I’ve missed any campaigners.
That suggests apathy on the part of candidates.
If there was ever an election where parties should be out there campaigning and drumming up support, it’s this one.

Is it a safe Tory seat?

If so many activists will spend the time in nearby constituencies that are more likely to switch. It’s all about maximizing impact with the time they have.

British diplomat resigns over having to ‘peddle half-truths’ on Brexit

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50693537

That is the truth about where the Conbrexit parties have put us

Good point well made.

Devil incarnate indeed….

Maybe not. Monbiot, on the other hand, is a supremely annoying, virtue-signalling hypocrite, so I’m not certain that his endorsement is worth anything.

JP

Monbiot, on the other hand, is a supremely annoying, virtue-signalling hypocrite, so I’m not certain that his endorsement is worth anything.

In your opinion, which you are entitled to. What is a fact is that when he writes and article, he nearly always puts a fully reference version on his website. That makes his journalism far more transparent and verifiable than all the rest. I’m sure I’ve heard of a journo who just made stuff up and reported it as fact, the exact opposite of Monbiot, the name just won’t come. I’m sure I’ve heard it a lot recently

I think, but i can’t be sure, that his name may have been slang for a male appendage?

Bojo seems on his best behaviour in that picture, I have no doubts that every instinct he has is compelling him to burn money in the homeless mans face while shouting LOSER!!!! Just like in his bullingdon days.