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  • Onzadog
    Free Member

    Not sure it’s going to help where I am but I plan to vote for whomever is most likely to remove the career Tory yes man we currently have.

    Posted 5 years ago
    kelvin
    Full Member

    It’s the only approach that can neuter Johnson.
    And that’s what needs to happen.

    Posted 5 years ago
    outofbreath
    Free Member

    And likewise, if there is the chance of getting a Labour MP over the line against a Tory, LD voters should be holding their noses and voting Labour if they are serious about stopping a hard(er) Brexit.

    Yeah, if you want a softer Brexit (if you think the EU will open up the negotitions a third time[1]) then Labour is the answer. If you want remain, then Libdems.

    You’re the first to spot Labours USP: Appealing to people who want Brexit but a different Brexit and are prepared to risk remain to get it. Quite a limited niche! I reckon leavers will just vote for BP or Tory.

    [1] Personally, I think they would.

    Posted 5 years ago
    kelvin
    Full Member

    It all depends on the seat @outofbreath … there are so few Labour/LibLab marginals in a general election that your comparison is irrelevant for most of the UK. Just work out who can defeat the Conservative candidate in the seat you have a vote it, and vote for them. It’s the only way to neuter Johnson.

    Posted 5 years ago
    dissonance
    Full Member

    Quite a limited niche!

    And an imaginary one. Problem is both the hard right and the useful idiots elsewhere will be pushing this line.

    Posted 5 years ago
    Houns
    Full Member

    Let’s hope for a really cold, icy/snowy Election Day, keep the Tory voting old giffers at home

    Posted 5 years ago
    kelvin
    Full Member

    @dissonance, I don’t think the ‘hard right’ are presenting the Labour position as anything other than ‘betraying the people’, yadda yadda… @outofbreath’s analysis has nowt to do with the ‘hard right’.


    @houns    , bad weather might keep people working long hours with big commutes away from the booths. The retired people will rock up at 11am, and then go for tea and cakes and a natter about saving England from the changes they dislike.

    Posted 5 years ago
    fatoldgit
    Full Member

    I think it will all come down to places like Harrogate in the end,.
    A slim majority in favour of remain at the referendum,
    An M P who has always voted for which ever version of the deal was touted,
    And a definate possibility of turning back to Lib Dem as a result at the GE, ( although it would take a large swing )
    there are a lot of folks around here really pissed off at the idea of leaving who may swing it,
    after all the leavers will still vote Tory.
    It won’t take many Tory seats to change hands to leave us right back where we started from……..
    For Harrogate read pretty much any Tory seat that voted remain, where ld are in 2nd place ,
    On the other side it works in reverse in Labour seats that voted leave, but only where the Tories are a close 2nd,
    After all I can’t see many leave voters switching to L D, they are more likely to stick with Labour and hope for another referendum ( or cross fingers for a Tory win )
    But
    Whatever happens remember 1 very important fact
    Politicians of every brand will say whatever it takes to get your vote so don’t believe a word any of them say ☹️

    Posted 5 years ago
    outofbreath
    Free Member

    It all depends on the seat @outofbreath … there are so few Labour/LibLab marginals in a general election that your comparison is irrelevant for most of the UK.

    From all the commentary I’ve read there’s no way to predict what’s a safe seat and what’s not – Brexit (with a remain party and two leave partys) changes everything. eg Some safe Tory seats will be remain areas, in some areas the Torys are remainers and the Labour voters are leavers and so on.

    There’s no such thing as a safe seat this time.

    Posted 5 years ago
    kelvin
    Full Member

    There’s no such thing as a safe seat this time.

    Not really true, unless you simply mean there are fewer safe seats than before.

    Posted 5 years ago
    dissonance
    Full Member

    I don’t think the ‘hard right’ are presenting the Labour position as anything other than ‘betraying the people’, yadda yadda

    Really? You dont think the brexiteer elite wont be using that as one of their many attack lines?

    Posted 5 years ago
    deadlydarcy
    Free Member

    Cracking speech by Jess this evening.

    Posted 5 years ago
    chewkw
    Free Member

    Woohoo! Election!
    I just hope the main parties get hammered.
    My vote will go to Brexit Party in Labour land.
    😄

    Posted 5 years ago
    binners
    Full Member

    A lot of labour MP’s are apparently already clearing their desks at Westminster

    Posted 5 years ago
    chewkw
    Free Member

    A lot of labour MP’s are apparently already clearing their desks at Westminster

    I hope that is the same for the Tories.

    Posted 5 years ago
    footflaps
    Full Member

    A lot of labour MP’s are apparently already clearing their desks at Westminster

    Hopefully JC is one of them….

    Posted 5 years ago
    rone
    Full Member

    Posted 5 years ago
    sootyandjim
    Free Member

    Hopefully JC is one of them…

    Always good to see the politically illiterate happy to out themselves.

    73% of voters in Islington North voted for Corbyn in the last GE. You may not like him as a politician but it’s pretty obvious that his constituents do.

    Also please bear in mind you were responding to something ‘binners’ dribbled forth via his keyboard. He has a pretty solid history of talking complete cods.

    Posted 5 years ago
    kerley
    Free Member

    There’s no such thing as a safe seat this time.

    I will bet £1,000 with anyone who wants to take it that Desmond Swayne will win New Forest West as easily as he has for the last 20 years.

    Posted 5 years ago
    fatoldgit
    Full Member

    Hopefully JC is one of them….

    Boris is in more danger of losing his seat than JC,

    Posted 5 years ago
    ferrals
    Free Member

    I read Boris was moving seats to somewhere safer

    Posted 5 years ago
    binners
    Full Member

    I suspect Jess Phillips is bang on, here. She usually is

    No doubt Cummings will be planning on doubling down on on all the dodgy dubious stunts that he used in the referendum campaign, plus some new additions

    Posted 5 years ago
    dissonance
    Full Member

    I read Boris was moving seats to somewhere safer

    That is the rumour and seems pretty likely. Reckon the one way kerley would lose the bet is if Johnson nicks that seat but more seriously got several seats available from those quitting or have been given the boot which are a lot safer.

    Posted 5 years ago
    cloudnine
    Free Member

    The people voted in 2017. Why do we need a second general election? I say anyone who wants to re-run the will of the people in 2017 is anti-democratic

    Posted 5 years ago
    richardk
    Free Member

    Clifton-Brown in the Cotswolds is an almost guaranteed safe seat, even with his ejection from the party conference.  If he gets less than 50% of the vote that might be seen as a gentle warning…

    Posted 5 years ago
    dazh
    Full Member

    A lot of labour MP’s are apparently already clearing their desks at Westminster

    Cowardly *****! (sorry I am aware I’m swearing a lot today). Seriously though, if a politician of any colour doesn’t relish the chance to fight an election and make their case for whatever it is they believe in, then they shouldn’t be standing. No doubt we can rely on them to spend the campaign whining about how unfair it all is and how it’s not their fault. If they’re not willing to fight they should stand aside for those who are.

    Posted 5 years ago
    MoreCashThanDash
    Full Member

    My understanding was that foreign funding during an election campaign was illegal, but I daresay it will happen.

    Oh, and the old doddery Brexit voters will have postal votes already set up.

    Posted 5 years ago
    zippykona
    Full Member

    So how did we will only back an election on the 9th end up giving Dumbojo what he wanted all along.

    When are the people who know what they’re doing turn up?

    Posted 5 years ago
    rone
    Full Member

    I suspect Jess Phillips is bang on, here. She usually is<

    She’s probably upset she’s got to try and get behind Labour and put them into power.

    (seriously – what the bloody hell is she warbling on about. Her acting is getting worse.)

    Posted 5 years ago
    deadlydarcy
    Free Member

    Looks like there’s been a vagina alert at Brocialist HQ.

    Posted 5 years ago
    brakes
    Free Member

    My constituency swings between Labour and Lib Dem every few years – currently Labour but could go back to Lib Dem. No chance of the Tories getting the seat.

    Posted 5 years ago
    grahamt1980
    Full Member

    Dd – sorry but that needs a translation

    Posted 5 years ago
    taxi25
    Free Member

    The people voted in 2017. Why do we need a second general election? I say anyone who wants to re-run the will of the people in 2017 is anti-democratic

    The result of the 2017 election has been implemented, the referendum result has been………………

    Posted 5 years ago
    kelvin
    Full Member

    Speak to some female Labour MPs who dare to speak their mind Graham.

    Posted 5 years ago
    grahamt1980
    Full Member

    Ah got you

    Posted 5 years ago
    kimbers
    Full Member

    The result of the 2017 election has been implemented, the referendum result has been………………

    Really? We’ve brought back fox hunting & have a Brexit deal that has no border in the Irish sea, close regulatory alignment with the EU & binding workers rights, standards & environmental protections , plus workers on company boards, independent energy supplier review, corporate pay review, takeover rules revised, productivity investment fund, prison & justice review, shale gas wealth fund, strengthend the union😁🤣🤣🤣

    https://www.conservatives.com/manifesto

    If we don’t have a vote to repeal fox hunting then democracy in this country is dead !!! 🙄

    Posted 5 years ago
    fatoldgit
    Full Member

    Don’t forget,
    In order to vote you have to make sure you are registered to do so
    Regardless of how you plan on voting ( and please do ) it is important to register
    https://www.registertovote.service.gov.uk/register-to-vote

    Posted 5 years ago
    sootyandjim
    Free Member

    Speak to some female Labour MPs who dare to speak their mind Graham.

    And yet MPs such as Laura Pidcock regularly speak their mind.

    Maybe, just maybe, it’s the message not the messenger that attracts the criticism?

    Jess Phillips, unfortunately, is only generally interested in the prospects of Jess Phillips.

    Posted 5 years ago
    chewkw
    Free Member

    The people voted in 2017. Why do we need a second general election? I say anyone who wants to re-run the will of the people in 2017 is anti-democratic

    The result of the 2017 election has been implemented, the referendum result has been………………

    The only chance to get Brexit is to “drain the swamp”, hopefully with No Deal, then start again. i.e. get out with No Deal then after that the politicians can argue amongst themselves until their face turn blue.

    Posted 5 years ago
    sootyandjim
    Free Member

    The only chance to get Brexit is to “drain the swamp”, hopefully with No Deal, then start again. i.e. get out with No Deal then after that the politicians can argue amongst themselves until their face turn blue.

    Without wishing to be rude, are you even eligible to vote in the UK?

    Posted 5 years ago
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