Can someone please explain to me while people are still voting tory?

I don’t see what they offer working class families, surely Labour are offering more?

Unfortunately the lies work. Lots of people really, genuinely believe that Corbyn is a communist who is going to take away all their stuff, that the EU is just France and Germany trying to take our money etc etc. So they will vote Tory.

I’m voting Libdem this time and not to stop another party:

1p on tax.
Revoke.
A sane(ish) policy on Zero hour contracts.
(Comparitive) Fiscal Rectitude.

Prudent. Sensible.

Expect some abuse because voting labour is the only solution on here.

If it is, the problem can’t be solved.

So 1p income tax will do very little.

I know. So how is the free Broadband going to be paid for? And the free prescriptions. And the reduction in rail fares?

Jeremy’s imaginary piggy bank?

I’ve decided Labour are going to win, you heard it here first.

If I’m wrong it’ll be the first time I’ve got an election or referendum result wrong in the last 6yrs give or take so the weight of history is on my side – if that’s not just a little bit grandiose!

The argument I’ve heard is that they’ve worked hard to get what they have so why should they support a party who will give to others who haven’t worked as hard.

I hear this a lot. The trouble with this argument is that people who earn a lot think that they deserve it more than those who earn less but still work their asses off. It’s that peddled falsehood that money equates to success. There’s no acknowledgement that a lot of wealthy people have had the background/luck/connections/opportunities that others less well-off may not have had. I doubt the average entitled high earner who was highly educated and had much better opportunities in life, has ever worked as hard as a single mother who works two jobs just to make ends meet.

Stuart Lee – The Money Is Mine sums it up quite nicely.

I do OK for myself and family for example, and I have worked hard to get where I am, but I fully acknowledge I have been extremely fortunate in my upbringing and background too. I will be voting for a Labour government as I am saddened by the perpetuating greed, corruption, selfishness, division and poverty in this country. I think we need a change, and although I have my doubts about how Corbyn will pay for a lot of his policies, I agree with them in principle and genuinely believe he is a rare politician that actually cares more about people than money. The big problem is our blatantly biased media – say something often enough and people start to believe it!

The trouble with this argument is that people who earn a lot think that they deserve it more than those who earn less but still work their asses off.

It’s those people who don’t earn much but work hard that I refer to as working class Tories.
There’s a degree of politics of jealousy in that they have worked hard for not much so why should someone else get more?

The argument I’ve heard is that they’ve worked hard to get what they have so why should they support a party who will give to others who haven’t worked as hard.

John Harris in the Guardian and others have been doing a reasonable job of trying to get the bottom of the phenomenon.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/02/labour-red-wall-brexit-progressive-industrial-england

Doesn’t explain it all, like why people most hurt by austerity and London centric governance would want to vote for the party most closely associated with it.

Well I’ve just done my democratic duty. Postal vote posted.

The Lib Dem and Green Party candidates both stood down to make it a straight Tory/Labour scrap with the waters muddied with Farage’s rabble in this key marginal seat. But there names were still on the ballot sheet?

Anyway… I’m joining Ivan in making predictions. I shoved a tenner on a hung parliament last time while May was well clear in the polls, at 5/1

The other week I shoved a tenner on a hung parliament with labour the largest party, at 6/1. My reasoning is that I just can’t see Boris and co convincing enough labour voters to commit the mortal sin/class treachery of voting Tory in the ‘labour heartlands’ seats they’re targeting in the north.

They’re absolutely loathed in these places. For a whole world of very valid reasons. People may tell pollsters they’ll do it, but when it actually comes down to putting that cross in the box marked Conservative Party….?

Maybe that’s wishful thinking, but we’ll see

Binners, you’ve never stopped going on about how unelectable Corbyn is, now you put money on him winning. Either your political or gambling insight is rubbish! Remind me not to take racing tips from you 🙂

I was right last time Molls. I think Grandad is absolutely hopeless (I may have mentioned it) but I’ve still just voted labour. What else am I going to do?

I reckon that when it comes down to it, a lot of people are going to weigh up what the reality of 5 years of Boris Johnson would actually look like, hold their noses and do the same

There’s a document costing everything, why don’t you give that a read.

Fantastic, please post a quote from the section of the document that explains the 58bn over 5 years for WASPI women.

Fantastic, please post a quote from the section of the document that explains the 58bn over 5 years for WASPI women.

Nope

😀

You poor naive child. A politician told you there was a document costing everything and you accepted that without checking for yourself.

Here it is:
https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Funding-Real-Change.pdf

No mention of the 58bn.

I was right last time Molls. I think Grandad is absolutely hopeless (I may have mentioned it) but I’ve still just voted labour. What else am I going to do?

You did the right thing Dusty.

Interesting little tidbit.

It is. Basically anything could happen.

I’m working class and will be voting Tory.
Not that my vote will change anything, as the tories win by 15000 each time here.

Why?
Tony Blair, Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbot.
I voted Labour once before, thinking it was going to be a real change. Then Blair gave in to Ecclestone, and cancelled his plan to ban cigarette advertising. Then it came to light that Ecclestone had given money to the Labour party. Yes, what a coincidence.
Jeremy Corbyn – there is no way I could vote for a party with him as Leader. I’ve said it numerous times, if Labour had a good leader, they’d be 20 points ahead in the polls. He is incompetent, and keeps showing it in interviews of the last few weeks. Only today another announcement about reducing rail fares by 75%, with that being funded by Road Fund Licence. Yes, thats really going to work. Great for workers who have a rail station close to them, useless for 75%+ of the population who have little choice but to use a car/powered vehicle.
It all doesnt add up. Only extra taxing those who earn £80k+. Thats such a small proportion of taxpayers that it just couldnt happen, firstly as there would be found a way to limit their earnings by off-shoring etc, and then the amount to be taken wouldnt even cover the extra spending they have promised. I could go on, but Labour have no credence whn they talk monetary matters now.
Diane Abbott – totally incomptetent. Labour have done a great job in keeping her away from interviews.When she does do one, she hasnt got a clue. i could never vote for a party that is likely to have her in the cabinet.

Tories. Financial credence. I know the Country is in the shite with debts. But they have been reducing the deficit. And I think will continue to do so.
BoJo. Another total idiot, but, the main point, he is better than Corbyn.
We’ve not got any decent Leaders now.
People complain about cuts to everything, FFS, the country was nearly bankrupt, what else could they do?
A bad choice between 2 awful parties, but the Tories are slightly better than the truly awful Labour.

Maybe that’s wishful thinking

I hope everyone else avoided C4 news this evening … utterly depressing … group of previously Labour voters embracing the ‘cuddly rogue’ Johnson… they just don’t like or trust the people now running Labour. But then, who does? That they’ll vote for Johnson, despite not trusting him either, is maddening.

Vote Labour please people.

At the end of the day Rone…

We must get Brexit done, it is time for the Common Market to leave Stanton Drew. Only the Conservatives can do that. #VoteConservative pic.twitter.com/KfkegTC7Rm

— Jacob Rees-Mogg (@Jacob_Rees_Mogg) December 2, 2019

Anybody know what hell is going off here?

So many levels of weirdness…

That channel 4 news piece did make for utterly depressing viewing

How people haven’t seen through Johnson’s ‘loveable rogue’ shtick years ago is utterly beyond me.

He’s a sociopath would casually walk past you and leave you dying in a gutter, without a second thought

Tories. Financial credence. I know the Country is in the shite with debts. But they have been reducing the deficit. And I think will continue to do so.

Despite the fact that they propose to spend and cut taxes and take us out of the EU, which will cost everyone up to 2k and will cause a drag on the economy. Fixed by the free trade deal with the US, which might take 10 years.

People complain about cuts to everything, FFS, the country was nearly bankrupt, what else could they do?

It wasn’t.
Not pursue a deliberate policy of austerity, which has prolonged the pain and delayed the economic recover, as they were told by just about everyone who actually knew anything about it.

Vote how you want but don’t buy the lies.