No, but he has scored a fair few pens and the odd conversion.

Wilkinson is not crap but he is not “the walk on water” rugby god the media or england fans makes out. Arrrrrgggghhhhh must not get involved 😆

Hear, hear!

Great place kicker, really good all rounder, but sadly had to do waaaay too much of the back row’s job for them as Larry Dayglo was too busy showboating. Hill was the REAL star of that era for my money. One of the best back row players of a generation.

Yeah, I mean how shit is wilkinson?!? Being a No.10 and doing the back row’s job too. Average.

Agreed in full.

DD, not saying that Wilkinson is bad, as such, in fact, I rate him very highly. Just agreeing that he’s not the sainted water-walker, as mentioned above! He certainly seems to be enjoying his rugby in the sunny South of France these days, and that’s great to see!

Nothing to live down, I’m happy to help the blind see.

Wilkinson has more WC winning drop goals than the whole of the other five of the 6N put together. 🙂

No, my knees are fine, thanks. 😉

No I haven’t (see email addy)

Hill was indeed the man in ‘that’ backrow.

A quick search would suggest he has has a knee replacement at 36 years old 😯 It could be a uni rather than a total but even so he is going to be struggling after the undoubtedly several revision surgeries by as early as 50-55 years old 😥 Poor guy! Can’t see much stopping him as he seems very active in fundraising and so on

reading not a strong point of yours is it.

A-A, FFS, you may have the odd bit of abuse on here, Zokes, toys etc, but seriously, do you have any idea how you come across a lot of the time? You’ll no doubt say ‘prove it or ‘show me where I said’ or something like that, but really, it’s the impression, as opposed to something direct.
I like this thread, but your ability to start an argument in an empty room really grates.

I know, I know, they all started it……

No, you started what I thought was a reasonably amusing bit of banter about if someone scores against England or not based on a little meme you wanted to created to take the piss out of me.
Which I did not object to and ran with. Hence my Wilko comment, I thought it was funny a bit of a comeback on your pisstaking, and a good opportunity to not carry on arguing, every one else joined in too. I honestly for a minute there thought you might have taken a deep breath and considered that sometimes you can be a bit dismissive and abrasive, and that you would just try and keep the peace.

But then as it was a page later and you thought nobody was looking you decide to try and stamp your “rugby brain authority” on the thread again.

To repeat for you two -“Roll Away”…… 😉

well THM and CFH, I had stopped, but AA could not resist another dig. I don’t see why I should roll over and take it.

Wilkinson was a superior 10 to Carter, just saying. He’s not at that same level now but he’s still better than Sexton and the rest in the 6N currently. Flood will stay in England till after the World Cup, Farrell could get injured and he’ll still be picked in the squad so he’ll get to play in a home RWC.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha just saying 😆

Look you have misunderstood me, I was trying to join in with what I thought was your banter.
Before you mentioned Wilko you you said in response to others criticsim of Sexton:

Which to me (and my prejudiced mind) looked like a bit of low level banter aimed at me. So far so good.
Nobody responded to your witticism so 3 posts later you tried again.

My prejudiced mind responded in kind a few times here, and later on.

as did Blindmelon and duckman, who took it a bit further.
My responses were good natured. As was my response to you

, this can only be seen as a joke, in line with yours. You postulated the notion that Wilko had not scored against England (which was ridiculous as he is English, which was funny by any measure) and I responded with the equally ridiculous notion that because he had not, then he must be crap (you did him down slightly, so for the sake of the joke I used artistic licence and extended it). This was not my prejudice, it was my attempt to respond well to the banter, and try and keep the arguing down.

So if you take the time to read this you will see my intention was different. Call it the Edinburgh defence, but I was just responding to a joke with another joke.

So I will apologise. I am sorry. It was not my intention, so if I made you feel that I was trying to make out you were something you are not then that is my mistake.

Caveat-I’m not defending it, just attempting to understand/explain:
This is down to a London/England centric media right? The media just respond to demographic, there are 53.5 million people in England, 5.3 million in Scotland, 3.1 million in Wales and 1.8 million in Northern Ireland. (Sorry Eire, cant find yours, I think its about 4 million, which makes 6 million Oirish). I expect this drives national news content.

I would say I cannot find anywhere that says they expect England to win, apart from the players and coaches. Which to be honest would be very disappointing if the players went on the pitch expecting to lose, they at least have to have the will to win.

BTW-upsets happen, who saw England’s win against NZ last year coming? England were utter shite up to that day, and on the day they looked excellent. I do not expect lightening to strike twice, but it is an amusing fantasy.