- 20 MPH road speed limit on the roads in built up areas
As ever the stats are interesting but I’m not sure what conclusions you can really draw from them.
Modern cars are safer for their occupants in a crash? (Anyone use the sheppey crossing Thursday morning?)
Our road designs and urban layouts help reduce accidents or their severity by segregating traffic and peds more? (And giving priority to motor vehicles in terms of the most expedient best “flowing” routes?).
A smaller proportion of the population walk or cycle hence the number of car on ped or car on cycle RTAs is relatively small? (But how severe are those that do still occur?)…
And how does any of it relate to “stronger enforcement” of 20 mph zones? I’d hazard a guess that most peds and cyclists are actually hit in 30 or 40mph zones? Any stats on which speed limit zones yield the most ped and/or cyclist injuries through RTAs? Or is that a bit too detailed to have been covered by any studies?Posted 4 years agoaPMember
As I put earlier and Simon has repeated above, the reason why K&Is are going down is that pedestrians and cyclists are deterred from going near roads. You just have to see the number of posts from stw-weekend warriors who refuse to commute by bike because of the perceived danger from the over-running of roads by motorists.Posted 4 years agoCougarSubscriber
I can’t see a logical or moral reason why cars should not be ltd to 70mph
Because a) it reduces your options when you need to get out of the way of the myopic and b) the people who most need limiting would bypass it.
Plus, arguably, the places where you really need limiters are 20 / 30 zones, not 70. Collisions on the motorway are relatively rare compared to residential areas, and whilst they tend to be more expensive you generally don’t mow down children chasing footballs across the M6.Posted 4 years agosimons_nicolai-ukMember
no expectation on the police to provide additional enforcement beyond their routine activity’
Important word there. Completely changes the meaning of what ACPO have been reported to have said
Routine activity is not to enforce speed limits though isn’t it? Last Police I spoke to claimed they couldn’t enforce 20mph limits because they didn’t have the equipment.
20mph ultimately is a good thing. Read an interesting interview with a traffic engineer. He said that once you’ve got a 20 limit you can really start designing the road differently – not speed humps so much, but roundabouts and junctions. If road spec is 30mph they have to be designed to take a large vehicle (think bin lorry) at a ‘high’ speed. If you no longer have to do that you change the bend radiuses such that they slow everyone down.
Limits need to be enforced, and enforced as limits, at all times of day. Driving licences need to be taken away from people who show they don’t have the attitude and self control to be permitted to control a vehicle.
A ride out in the **** Kentryside today again made unpleasant by motorists speeding through lanes and gritting their teeth rather than slowing down as they passed.
Personally, I think the first step in rehumanising our roads is to drop the ‘national’/default speed limits. This would radically reduce the amount of re-signage needed across the country and mean that motorists who claimed to be unawere of the limit would err on the slow side and not the fast.
20mph in all residential/urban areas
40mph on all other roads
Both unless otherwise indicated. Country lanes would lose the ’60mph’ limit they have at the moment, You’d separate out streets (where people live) and roads (arterial routes) in cities and towns. Mark specific roads as 30mph in cities, specific roads/sections of roads as 60mph outside,Posted 4 years agoDugganMember
I’m one of those people who only bothered taking (and passing) their test late at the age of 31.
Have to say that I’m more than happy to obey the speed limit wherever I am- at the age of 31 I do feel quite a lot of responsibility and really, really don’t want to run over a child’s face or something.
The problem is it seems no other **** wants to bother. I occasionally commute to work in the car and on Friday I got honked by someone behind me (not a euphamism) for daring to leave a gap of 3 metres to the car in front (stopped at a set of lights), and then took a load of abuse for going 20 through the 20 zone past a school.
Pretty annoying and also slightly unnerving for a new driver and so no wonder some people just don’t bother.Posted 4 years agotoys19Member
Because a) it reduces your options when you need to get out of the way of the myopic
Cougar, with the greatest respect, this statement is effen piffle. Do vans/lorries limited to 56mph get in trouble because they cannot speed out of the way? Surely they can just apply the brakes and wait for the idiot to pass?Posted 4 years agoandylMember
Moving on from the plans of logging etc the sooner we get self driving cars like in Irobot the better IMO.
Lets faace it, day to day a huge number of motorists are just wanting to get from A to B in as little hassle as possible. If we have automated cars that talk to each other and the road network then cars would be able to work together to keep a city flowing. Fuel consumption would be down, accidents down, congestion down and journey times down. I love driving, always have done, but I get no enjoyment from 90% of my journeys which are filled with idiots driving badly and congestion.
I would happily let my car take control for most of my journeys, that way I could sit back and get on with other things on my journey like deal with my emails or do some ordering.
The key is going to be integrating the system with human driven cars but I can see ways to do this.Posted 4 years agonikkMember
the sooner we get self driving cars like in Irobot the better
As you say, for 90% of journeys, it would be much better. manual override has to be an option though.
I also don’t have a problem, and don’t think there is a problem, with people doing a ton on a clear motorway or 9pm on a nice day. It’s the twonts that have no consideration for other users that are the problem, and the bad decisions brought on by ‘get-there-itus’.Posted 4 years agophunkmasterMember
Was doing the speed limit the other day down Strines Road and some dick passed me gesturing and clearly annoyed that I was doing the speed limit. The amount of people I annoy by doing the limit really surprises me. But I do not care. I usually have my kids in the car and will never drive over the limit regardless of waht it is. Not worth it.Posted 4 years agoIanWMember
sooner we get self driving cars like in Irobot the better IMO.
These are on the way…telematics for insurance is finally coming though, they will be in all cars soon(5/10yrs) then it’ll be a small step to pay as go cars lined up at the road side.
Get in one, tap in a post code, swipe your card and of you go. Google is showing some software that works out the best routes and even accounts for lights changing etc.
I reckon 20/30 yrs.
Only problem will be establishing our social status when no one owns a car!Posted 4 years agojools182Member
It is, after all, a limit and not a target . .
I see no problem with driving at the speed limit, or reason not to, conditions permitting of course
I will drive at the speed set by the highways agency, not the pootler in front who spends more time looking out the side windows at the scenery rather than the windscreenPosted 4 years agoandylMember
what is annoying is when someone (normally elderly) does 30-40mph on a clear day in perfect conditions on a very wide and unchallenging 60mph road and then as they approach a built up area with a 30mph speed limit they seem to settle on 40mph all the way though.
IanW – I’ve seen the self driving/parking Audi but I still want to own my car. That way I can choose a car that suits what I need and leave my stuff in it. I can see a rise in street based hire cars (like the city car club ones) though and tbh they would pretty much replace taxis.Posted 4 years ago
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