He’d probably be better off in prison. His identity will get out somehow and then his life is going to be a very scary place.

Society’s always to blame.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAs1_FxTyFs[/video]

String the little shit up.

I knew full well at the age of 14 that kind of stuff was wrong. Unless he has some pretty serious mental illness then he should be severely punished. He will see this as getting away with it and that is not on. We cant have a country where criminals, of any level, can feel like they got away with their crimes.

Poor poor girl. I really feel for her and her family.

“Cage the porn boy”? Who writes this crap?

Anyway. Sounds like a travesty of justice to me. I don’t agree for a moment that no-one is responsible. If the boy cannot be sentenced as an adult due to his age, why aren’t parents / guardians tried in his place? If he’s legally not responsible for his actions, then they are, surely?

I also don’t subscribe to the idea that porn “made” him do it. I reckon you’d be hard pressed to find a 14yo boy who didn’t watch porn to some extent, and most of them quite successfully manage not to rape a four year old child afterwards. He isn’t “desensitised”, he’s wrong in the nut.

I’m just shocked that the report didn’t come with an important lesson to us all about the evils of computers and the Internet; maybe I should see if the Mail has a report on it too.

They have a bit at the bottom of the article from the Sun’s agony aunt. 😕

I’d agree but my understanding is that neutering (chemical or otherwise) doesn’t work on rapists as the psychology of the crime is about control rather than sex.

Just kill the evil bastards then.

unless the kid was watching porn that heavily featured the calculated rape of young children (takes some calculation to get the girl to cover her eyes and bribe her…) then i’d struggle to blame porn.

no real details other than ‘banned from the internet for while’ in the article. i’d be interested in finding out the details of the sentence as i’m currently looking after chaps who have done very similar as their index offence and the impact its had on their life is huge, despite diminished capacity at the time of the incident (various mental illnesses).

The Telegraph has a few more details with (slightly) less frothing:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9377605/Parents-anger-as-child-rapist-walks-free-as-judge-blames-pornography.html

The spokesman for the NSPCC, who presumably knows a reasonable amount about damaged children and abuse, said:
“Hopefully the young victim who suffered this awful ordeal will get the therapy she needs and the offender undergoes a course of treatment so he fully understands the impact of what he has done and never repeats his actions”

No I knew you were not at all I was just debating with you , I could work out your view on the issue

FFS that is worse than your first post ..what are you thinking of…shaked head in disbelief
I shall counter with
Council places carefully considered cycle lane to car drivers delight 😉

I dont think that is a good sentence i think it may be that the judge is out of touch , did things at 14 at public school due to exposure to things that he has not done since and thinks this is the same for this lad

agreed 100%.

hopefully the girl will grow up with little to no memory of the whole thing, i’ve got some family friends who when the little girls were 4 and 2, were raped by the sons of their childminder (aged about 11 at the time) and now those 2 girls are 19 and 17, neither of them are aware it even happened.

FFS that is worse than your first post ..what are you thinking of…shaked head in disbelief

Just making the point that if that is the true story (and it may or may not be) then it is not exactly a viewpoint we’d get from The Sun.

Do we have any reason to suppose that it wasn’t a “carefully considered” sentence, even if you don’t agree with it?

You answered the question and it’s like you are insinuating my views are not carefully considered…why the personal attacks Graham?

Well whilst TJ has been away someone need to take up the mantle 😉

Now what font for impersonating
I dont know all the deatils and I agree they both need help but I have very little tolerance/understanding for sex offenders and having worked with them I now have even less. I just think we need to protect society from them [ via incarceration and possibly permanent] as there is no “cure” this is the least harm or the most utilitarian outcome IMHO

nice!

Apologies if it comes across as that. Not my intent at all I assure you 😳

My point was simply that “Judge makes unpopular but carefully considered sentence” might well be an accurate headline, albeit one that wouldn’t sell papers.

It is certainly “unpopular” sentence. And we don’t really know how “carefully considered” it was.

I would hope that a judge involved in a case like this would consider sentencing very carefully indeed, but it’s entirely possible he absent-mindedly plucked the numbers out of thin air while taking a dump.

I’m not suggesting that the parents be tried for rape of course, but should they not be partially accountable for a minor’s behaviour? Why weren’t they protecting him from this ‘world and society’, how was he getting his corruptive daily grot?

Either the 14 year old is mature enough to be prosecuted or he isn’t. If he isn’t, that would imply that his parents were negligent in their duty of care. No?

just read the story in the sun. very surprised the dad of the poor girl hasnt given the evil fu**er a visit and strung him up

+1 Duckman

Luckily, I think she’ll be better able to cope with it than an a individual somewhat older as a previous poster has mentioned.

you were not I was being sarccy ….again i knew this was not what you meant to do and i dont even think you were. It was a joke/parody so it may be me that requires the 😳

Cougar – and I never say this I really dont. – but you dont have kids do you?
No one but no one can be 100% responsible for their kids behaviours – you learn that in the first few days of having kids because you really would get them to be quiet and sleep a bit more if you could.

We could all possibly create an amoral monster if we tried [ does anyone actually do this?] but you cannot always say the parents are responsible for childrens bad behaviour.It is just too simplistic. Honestly it is just like they are their own people and they make decisions for themselves…FFS my eldest likes road riding above MTB and Wiggo and queen Victoria* are his idols ….i shall take the lashings I deserve at the next STW ride – the youngest t is Danny mac or possibly megatron and he is not even a goody 🙄

* Not a monarch Victoria Pendleton a track cyclist- she has ridden road as well.

Sure, I know what you mean. Thing is, that’s hardly a new thing is it. The only thing that’s changed is ease of availability, and whilst I take your point that most people lack the skills to lock things down I’m not convinced that ignorance is a valid defence.

I appreciate that it’s going to be very difficult to control – I can about imagine the success rate my parents would have seen trying to lock down my computer when I was 14 – but it’s a situation which is simply going to have to change long-term. Giving a child a device which can access varyingly legal hard-core grumble at the touch of a button and then absolving yourself of all responsibility for what he does with it is simply negligent. Sorry.

Nope, though ironically I was one myself for a while when I was younger.

In part at least, I don’t want kids because I don’t actually want that sort of responsibility. Far as I’d be concerned, if my 14 year old son managed to bypass my Internet security, he can watch as much porn as he likes. (-:

At the risk of being tedious:

1) the offender was not let off – he was convicted and sentenced

2) the judge did not say that porn made the offender do it and did not say anything like it. The remark would have been part of a much longer sentencing statement.

3) in these sorts of cases, no single factor – such as exposure to pron – would be determinative of the sentence. Instead, a whole heap of reports and context would have been considered as well, none of which can be reduced to a catchy 50pt headline.

4) criminal responsibility and moral culpability s not just merely knowing the difference between right and wrong, it’s about appreciating the degree of wrong too. You wouldn’t put a 13 year old on a jury or have 13 year olds pass sentence because they would not have the maturity to fully appreciate the nature of the offense or the impact on the victim. Blake Morrison’s As If on the Bulger murder is a must read on this.

5) you have to explain what would be the -point- of imprisonment in a YOI at vast expense. Deterrent? Public protection? Punishment? Rehabilitation?