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                        <title>Re: Virtual Paedophiles</title>
                        <link>https://singletrackworld.com/forum/off-topic/virtual-paedophiles/#post-12875606</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2023 18:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[The whole spanking fetish seems to be based around abusive adult/child experiences

According to who?

Porn made by consenting adults is apparently “fine” 

According to who?

but we know so...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>The whole spanking fetish seems to be based around abusive adult/child experiences</blockquote>

According to who?

<blockquote>Porn made by consenting adults is apparently “fine” </blockquote>

According to who?

<blockquote>but we know some of the “actors” in those scenes were abused as children. It’s not OK to abuse children so why is it OK to carry on abusing them once they turn 18?</blockquote>

Who says they are continuing to be abused?

<blockquote>If AI generated images are the methodone does banning them actually just increase demand for the “real” stuff and do more harm?</blockquote>

You have that the wrong way round. Methodone gets given to existing addicts to get them and doesn't allow them to quit since its more addictive than the drug it's replacing.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Virtual Paedophiles</title>
                        <link>https://singletrackworld.com/forum/off-topic/virtual-paedophiles/#post-12875347</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2023 13:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[The mainstream media making lecherous comments about 15 year old girls and lusting after them was somehow seen as more acceptable :



I can&#039;t imagine that Chris Moyles wouldn&#039;t be sacked fo...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[The mainstream media making lecherous comments about 15 year old girls and lusting after them was somehow seen as more acceptable :

https://nybreaking.com/charlotte-church-recalls-the-time-chris-moyles-offered-to-sleep-with-her-after-she-turned-16/



I can't imagine that Chris Moyles wouldn't be sacked for making the same comment today.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://singletrackworld.com/forum/off-topic/">Chat Forum</category>                        <dc:creator>ernielynch</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: Virtual Paedophiles</title>
                        <link>https://singletrackworld.com/forum/off-topic/virtual-paedophiles/#post-12875335</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2023 13:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think it was the Sun. I have a vague recollection of the Daily Star doing countdowns for 15 year olds, publishing revealing, but not nude, photos of them.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I don't think it was the Sun. I have a vague recollection of the Daily Star doing countdowns for 15 year olds, publishing revealing, but not nude, photos of them.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://singletrackworld.com/forum/off-topic/">Chat Forum</category>                        <dc:creator>ernielynch</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: Virtual Paedophiles</title>
                        <link>https://singletrackworld.com/forum/off-topic/virtual-paedophiles/#post-12875204</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2023 11:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[it might shock you to learn that until 1992, a certain well known red-top tabloid regularly published pictures of girls aged under eighteen on it’s third page
Worse still, they had a countdo...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>it might shock you to learn that until 1992, a certain well known red-top tabloid regularly published pictures of girls aged under eighteen on it’s third page</blockquote>
Worse still, they had a countdown for Samantha Fox who was 15, for her 16th birthday, when they could legally publish pics of her topless. Think that was the Sun.

They were publishing pics of her in a tight top, low cut even though she was 15 at the time.

Exceedingly seedy.]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://singletrackworld.com/forum/off-topic/">Chat Forum</category>                        <dc:creator>dyna-ti</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Re: Virtual Paedophiles</title>
                        <link>https://singletrackworld.com/forum/off-topic/virtual-paedophiles/#post-12875191</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 01 Jul 2023 11:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Thanks for the comments everyone. I knew I could rely on you for some robust opinions :)

I&#039;m still not sure exactly what I think about the original issue as I find myself agreeing with comm...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Thanks for the comments everyone. I knew I could rely on you for some robust opinions :)

I'm still not sure exactly what I think about the original issue as I find myself agreeing with comments from all sides.

It's a tricky issue to discuss as most of us have a pretty fixed view on what is and is not acceptable when it comes to sex that we don't really think should be up for discussion. But most of us are also willing to accept that other people should be allowed to do things that we find distasteful or morally wrong, up to a point. I guess what I'm trying to get clear in my own mind is where that point should be.

I used to think it was quite clear. Anything that harms children is wrong (I guess we can all agree on that one). Looking at pictures of child abuse may not directly harm the children but it encourages that abuse so is clearly (in my opinion) wrong. But once you get to people looking at "representations" (assuming children weren't harmed in the production) I just think it gets a lot trickier. The argument just seems to be "these people are sick" but there is lots of questionable behaviour that we do tolerate.

Apparently it's OK for consenting adults to dress as children for some "harmless"  bedroom fun. I heard a stand up comedian recently talking about how she was worried that if she died her family might find "that folder marked schoolgirls" on her computer and not realise it was "just" 20-somethings dressed as schoolgirls and I though "but why do you think that is OK?". Is it ever OK for someone to call a partner "daddy" in the bedroom? The whole spanking fetish seems to be based around abusive adult/child experiences, but is tolerated. Porn made by consenting adults is apparently "fine" but we know some of the "actors" in those scenes were abused as children. It's not OK to abuse children so why is it OK to carry on abusing them once they turn 18?

We seem to have accepted the line that we are not going to try to legislate people's fantasies no matter how distasteful they make us feel.

I thought the drug analogy earlier was interesting. In both cases the policy of going after the users doesn't seem to be solving the problem. I keep seeing articles about the "shocking" rise of child abuse content online. Every site that gets taken down seems to net hundreds of thousands of users and yet the "trade" still grows. If AI generated images are the methodone does banning them actually just increase demand for the "real" stuff and do more harm?

I actually thought the best argument against allowing the AI generated stuff was what you do when it becomes impossible to differentiate AI from "real" images. I'm comfortable with the line that anything that harms children is wrong and whatever you might think about the effectiveness of going after the "users" I'm sure we all want the law enforcement agencies to be able to identify the victims (and the people directly abusing them). That would become much harder if you couldn't tell the fake from the real images. So, in that sense I think I could argue that an AI generated image of child abuse is causing harm.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Virtual Paedophiles</title>
                        <link>https://singletrackworld.com/forum/off-topic/virtual-paedophiles/#post-12873943</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Sam Fox would not titillate a paedophile. Think about it.

I wouldn&#039;t know that, and thinking about it won&#039;t help.

But a comment was made earlier on this thread that apparently the appeal S...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>Sam Fox would not titillate a paedophile. Think about it.</blockquote>

I wouldn't know that, and thinking about it won't help.

But a comment was made earlier on this thread that apparently the appeal Sam Fox had, when she was 16 and was conned into having her breasts photographed for publication, was that she had the face of a child but the body of a woman, apparently according to the photographer.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Virtual Paedophiles</title>
                        <link>https://singletrackworld.com/forum/off-topic/virtual-paedophiles/#post-12873935</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2023 08:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I think the further we can get away from sexualising very young girls the better.
Yep, and a LONG way to go on that.   Still not a paedophilia issue to me though as that is very different.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>I think the further we can get away from sexualising very young girls the better.</blockquote>
Yep, and a LONG way to go on that.   Still not a paedophilia issue to me though as that is very different.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Virtual Paedophiles</title>
                        <link>https://singletrackworld.com/forum/off-topic/virtual-paedophiles/#post-12873928</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2023 07:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Did it titillate paedophiles like Gary Glitter and Jimmy Savile? Very likely I would have thought.

Sam Fox would not titillate a paedophile. Think about it.

The world has changed its outlo...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>Did it titillate paedophiles like Gary Glitter and Jimmy Savile? Very likely I would have thought.</blockquote>

Sam Fox would not titillate a paedophile. Think about it.

The world has changed its outlook massively in my 54 years on the planet. Topless pictures of 16 year olds and teachers having relationships with 6th formers are now, quite rightly, illegal.

But these are social constructs. The age of consent, iirc, didn’t exist before the Victorians, and other countries have different laws around that to us.

Over the years I've known* women who have modeled from Page 3 level to hardcore. All of them were responsible over 18s at when they made their choices.
*not in the biblical sense.

<blockquote>I think the further we can get away from sexualising very young girls the better.</blockquote>

Definitely this. And some sports and dance groups need to think very carefully how they expect girls/women to dress and act.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Virtual Paedophiles</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2023 05:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[What will it be in the future, 21 and would that appear a bit silly to you today (it would to me).
Depends what you&#039;re talking about.

If you&#039;re talking about the age of consent then that&#039;s ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote>What will it be in the future, 21 and would that appear a bit silly to you today (it would to me).</blockquote>
Depends what you're talking about.

If you're talking about the age of consent then that's obviously a very complex subject and has many factors such as the age difference, if one person is in a position of authority, etc.  It's pretty much impossible to boil down to a single number but we do it anyway.

If you're talking about appearing topless in a national newspaper or on a website then maybe raising the age to 21 wouldn't be such a bad idea.

Or possibly change the definition so that models have to 'look' at least 25.  Obviously that's open to interpretation but it's a policy that's used some places when buying alcohol.  'If we think you look under 25 you will be asked for id.'

I think the further we can get away from sexualising very young girls the better.]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Re: Virtual Paedophiles</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 30 Jun 2023 05:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[16,17,18,19 years old - all semantics and arbitrary numbers to me.  There is clearly a big difference between a 5 year old and a 17 year old but a line has to be drawn somewhere which was 16...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[16,17,18,19 years old - all semantics and arbitrary numbers to me.  There is clearly a big difference between a 5 year old and a 17 year old but a line has to be drawn somewhere which was 16 and is now 18.  What will it be in the future, 21 and would that appear a bit silly to you today (it would to me).]]></content:encoded>
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