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Re: This peugeot/citroen 1.6hdi issue

chrisdiesel — Sun, 28 Apr 2013 21:55:44 +0000

The older 90/110bhp engines no turbo issues at all the later 130> 160bhp engines have an electronic turbo position sensor that goes wrong (very rarely ) but it can be changed without engine or turbo removal, strictly it's not a turbo issue it's a sensor bolted to it but that's about it. But the later larger bhp engines were never fitted to berlingos.

Re: This peugeot/citroen 1.6hdi issue

rob-jackson — Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:33:09 +0000

chrisdiesel - any issues with 2.0hdi?

Re: This peugeot/citroen 1.6hdi issue

Edukator — Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:24:55 +0000

I'm quite happy with all the other people at the legal limit so don't do much overtaking either. Almost all the petrol engines I've had could be driven in almost any gear at any speed and would gather speed without protest when pressing the right pedal, I like that. The diesels have generally juddered and shaken in protest when using too high a gear and run out of revs just above idle.

I can't understand why someone who drives a 3.5 V8 petrol would argue in favour of diesel on any other grounds than imminent bankruptcy. ;)

A point on topic for the OP. A friend runs a business that refurbishes turbos for the trade. He warned me off the Peugeot 1.6 Hdi which generates much of his business but was quite positive about the 136bhp 2lHdi.

Re: This peugeot/citroen 1.6hdi issue

trail_rat — Tue, 23 Apr 2013 13:10:14 +0000

so what your saying is (and your agreeing with me in essence) - petrols for overtaking and diesels for cruising

im definantly a cruiser and thats why i like diesels ..... get it in 5th/6th and sit there till get to where i need to be. my next car will be auto box and reasonably big engine.

that said - my other toy car is a carbed 3.5v8 on manual.

Re: This peugeot/citroen 1.6hdi issue

Edukator — Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:55:19 +0000

No I'm not, I know what both are and quoted both. The Renault engines quoted produce exactly the same torque and power at 4000rpm - 190Nm/110bhp. The diesel produces more torque than the petrol below 2000rpm and the petrol more than the diesel above 4000.

Don't forget the role of gearing. You'll be a gear higher in the diesel which reduces the torque at the wheels. For example, the petrol engine is geared 46km/1000 in 5th and the diesel 54km/1000 in 6th. Consider the situation that favours the diesel the most, behind a truck at 100kmh where the diesel is at 1850rpm and right on the top of its torque curve. The torque available at the wheels will be 190/46 for the petrol and 240/54 for the diesel. Only a 7% torque advantage at the wheels for the diesel which is soon lost as speed rises. If you deem it necessary to change down the petrol wins at any speed.

Re: This peugeot/citroen 1.6hdi issue

hora — Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:21:38 +0000

Aye. Torque is king (sadly) in a ladened vehicle for less hassle.

I'll have a spin in one when I take my Citroen in for its imminent service this week.

Re: This peugeot/citroen 1.6hdi issue

trail_rat — Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:18:47 +0000

your confusing power with torque.

Re: This peugeot/citroen 1.6hdi issue

Edukator — Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:05:13 +0000

Modern is something you can go into a showroom and buy.

Compare Renault's engines used in Berlingo sized vehicles (I have the figures to hand):

1.2 petrol turbo. 115bhp, 190Nm from 2000 to 4000, peak power at 4500rpm and still over 110bhp at 6000rpm.

1.5 diesel variable geometry turbo, 110bhp, 240Nm at 1750rpm, peak power at 4000rpm declining rapidly thereafter.

The diesel is fitted with a six speed gearbox to compensate for the narrower power band yet you claim you need to change gear less with a diesel.

Edit to add fuel consumption: mixte cycle petrol 5.1l/100 diesel 4.0l/100km. Given the higher cost of the vehichle and higher servicing costs you have to do a lot of km to benefit from the fuel saving.

Re: This peugeot/citroen 1.6hdi issue

trail_rat — Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:04:02 +0000

i like petrol engines - but they need to be a big engine. as hora points out , lots of rev matching and gear changing to get a petrol to move with weight in.
define modern - never had to take my 2006 diesel to get "reset"

if you remove the battery wrong how ever or try and jump start them - they dont like that !

Re: This peugeot/citroen 1.6hdi issue

Edukator — Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:37:34 +0000

How many diesels will go foot on the floor from 1200 to 6500rpm and trundle around roundabouts in top gear? My old petrol Pug will.

The glow plugs in my diesel Ducato are fine, it's not the only diesel that's reluctant to start in the ski resort; the breakdown truck is a regular sight. The ones that won't start are generally diesels. The people asking for jump leads generally have diesels. At least with the Ducato I can take the battery into the apartment to warm it up, on modern diesels if you take the battery out you have to pay 50 - 80e for the electronics to be reset, and some won't start at all.