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                        <title>Re: Stupid car design ideas of our time</title>
                        <link>https://singletrackworld.com/forum/off-topic/stupid-car-design-ideas-of-our-time/paged/3/#post-6834849</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2015 13:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Retrofiting is not a good idea with leds i agree.... Using resistors to fool the ecu as the current draw of an led isnt big enough it signals the light blown circuit.
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                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retrofiting is not a good idea with leds i agree.... Using resistors to fool the ecu as the current draw of an led isnt big enough it signals the light blown circuit.</p>
<p>But going forward there is no reason other than cost they cant fit leds in new cars.</p>
<p>Remind me fuel and brake lines aint a consumable when your car reaches 15 years old dave, an age the my first set of led lights have just reached....and still in daily use when im in the uk....</p>
<p>Make the bulb a long term consumable then its not as much of an issue as incandescant bulbs that blow when you look at them funny.</p>
<p>Im a fan of led technology incase you hadnt noticed. </p>
<p>Swing open doors are still more of an issue for me than light bulbs blowing :)
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                        <title>Re: Stupid car design ideas of our time</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2015 12:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Dunno what&#039;s bugging you but you seem to be acting awkward for the sake of it. At the end of the day bulbs, whether you like it or not are consumables and therefore the ease of replacement s...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunno what's bugging you but you seem to be acting awkward for the sake of it. At the end of the day bulbs, whether you like it or not are consumables and therefore the ease of replacement should be proportional to their required safety function, ie. as easy as possible.</p>
<p>Brake and fuel lines, on the other hand, are NOT consumables so your analogy is somewhat rubbish.</p>
<p>If you have some good brands of LED to recommend then go for it, if I can get something brighter and longer lasting that won't fade then I'd happily do so however anyone I've ever heard of retrofitting has had either reliability problems or not seen a cost benefit.</p>
<p>EDIT:Aargh you edited!
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                        <title>Re: Stupid car design ideas of our time</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2015 12:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Dont worry audi have just the car. You dont need tools...or even to open the bonnet to check the fluid.....
Ill let you know how i get on with leds, needed new lights for the land rover anyw...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dont worry audi have just the car. You dont need tools...or even to open the bonnet to check the fluid.....<br />
Ill let you know how i get on with leds, needed new lights for the land rover anyway as the old ones were old , cracked l leaking and corroded. </p>
<p>Cost 40 quid more than quality oem units and are ip67 rated.
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                        <title>Re: Stupid car design ideas of our time</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2015 12:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[not really, bulbs blow, they are a safety item that you can replace. Making them difficult to change probably explains the number of people driving round with blown headlights. Long lasted L...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not really, bulbs blow, they are a safety item that you can replace. Making them difficult to change probably explains the number of people driving round with blown headlights. Long lasted LED's might be a bit of a solution but as with anything like that they will be prone to just failing.</p>
<p>As a bare minimum you should need no tools or mechanical know how to swap a bulb, top up washers or check your fluids in a modern car. It's not a big ask is it?
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                        <title>Re: Stupid car design ideas of our time</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2015 12:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[So by your ideology we should complain that brake and fuel lines are a cunt to change in most cars - they only need done after 10-15 years.....a similar time frame to an good led bulb really...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So by your ideology we should complain that brake and fuel lines are a cunt to change in most cars - they only need done after 10-15 years.....a similar time frame to an good led bulb really.</p>
<p>Im all for making it easy removable but im further leaning to making it fit and forget as far as practiacly possible.
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                        <title>Re: Stupid car design ideas of our time</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2015 12:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Well my french car used to blow bulbs at a rate faster than any other consumable.  Yes, I even got pulled by the plod for a light out in Bristol... get this... on the way home from an MOT wh...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well my french car used to blow bulbs at a rate faster than any other consumable.  Yes, I even got pulled by the plod for a light out in Bristol... get this... on the way home from an MOT where the bulb had been replaced and realigned in order to pass.</p>
<p>That pieice of paper showing the headlight beam angle is totally worthless. Rules of the road quite rightly say the driver is responsible for a roadworthy car.</p>
<p>They allowed me to drive to Halfrauds to replace it.</p>
<p>So my Spanish Golf blowing a headlight, typically 1 per year or so, but ALWAYS in winter in the snow, and usually in Innsbruck or the Dolomites, is actually quite infrequent.  PITFA changing the LH one. Easy as pie to change the RH one.  LH indicators all have "character".  Virtually impossible to change, but 99% of the time the wiggling of the connector plug makes it magically work again.
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                        <title>Re: Stupid car design ideas of our time</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2015 11:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Still no good reasons for not designing something that can be changed easily trail rat. The ford idea about unclipping and pulling them out forward seems like a great idea. Such a simple sol...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still no good reasons for not designing something that can be changed easily trail rat. The ford idea about unclipping and pulling them out forward seems like a great idea. Such a simple solution really, just things like that are not sexy and don't sell on ads.
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                        <title>Re: Stupid car design ideas of our time</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2015 11:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Used to go through 10watt bulbs on my bike lights 10 a penny ... Bought some leds when they came out .... That was the end of the blowing bulbs, 
Used to blow 50 watt halogens on a monthly b...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Used to go through 10watt bulbs on my bike lights 10 a penny ... Bought some leds when they came out .... That was the end of the blowing bulbs, </p>
<p>Used to blow 50 watt halogens on a monthly basis , splashed out on leds and have not replaced a bulb in 3 years </p>
<p>Also it doesnt matter how easy you make it it will be a cold day in hell before the general populous changes their own bulb ..... Never mind stopping to do it at the side of the road ....
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                        <title>Re: Stupid car design ideas of our time</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2015 11:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[But the frequency of the change doesn&#039;t excuse bad design in the first place, it&#039;s no good having a bulb that lasts &quot;several times as long&quot; if you still need to faff about to replace it when...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the frequency of the change doesn't excuse bad design in the first place, it's no good having a bulb that lasts "several times as long" if you still need to faff about to replace it when it does go. And I still remain to be convinced that "well designed quality LEDs" will live up to their claimed lifetime let alone their cost.</p>
<p>Never had a blown bulb in several thousand miles (at least 60k), probably by virtue of the fact I stopped turning them on when starting. Don't bother with crap like Nightbreakers or the Philips equivalents either since they fade down to normal output in a short time anyway.</p>
<p>TBH it's about time that type apporoval submissions were rejected until every manufacturer produces a car that can have its bulbs changed, by the roadside, at night, in the cold in five minutes or less. There is no excuse at all for this ridiculous place we've got to where a consumable safety item cannot be easily replaced.
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2015 10:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Nissan X trail washer bottle, which has a long conical filler tube that no matter how carefully you pour fluids in causes them to froth and means you only fill the bottle about 3/4 full unle...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nissan X trail washer bottle, which has a long conical filler tube that no matter how carefully you pour fluids in causes them to froth and means you only fill the bottle about 3/4 full unless you stand there trickling the water in for ages.</p>
<p>Peugeot amateur (expert) van oil filler that is so tight under the bonnet that invariably when you top the oil up it goes all over the engine as well.
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