[Closed] Even moderately expensive cars..how do people afford them?

agent007 - Member

what's more unexpected than a £30k loss come trade in time as per the guy with the Lexus above?

That's pretty much a perfect example of "expected" tbh.

He certainly didn't sound like he expected that? Still, perhaps he should have realised and yes, entirely foreseeable.

ransos - Member

I'd say for a lot of people (SE England excluded, perhaps) your image of motoring is the exception, rather than the rule.

Purlease. Most people use their cars for commuting, the school run and shopping. They are purely a convenient tool.

Eh? When I said 'your image' (referring to Binners' motorway jam pic)in the bit you quoted, I literally meant the picture used. Nothing more.
I have no doubt that most people use their car for commuting, dropping the kids off and doing the weekly shop. But do most people spend most of their time sat in traffic on a motorway going nowhere? I'm not so sure.
I commute 22k miles/year which has gone down from 32k miles per year in my previous job. There was the odd traffic jam when there had been some kind of accident and there are always slow bits where the traffic backs up. But, I can't think of the last time I was sat in a proper traffic jam going nowhere fast.
There's still plenty of nice driving to be had in most parts of the country.

And is it really that surprising for car advertisers to show their cars being used in an 'optimum' state, rather than stuck in a traffic jam. Surely people don't take the adverts literally? Or do people really think that Corsa's are driven by little furry characters shouting 'come on', that Nissan 4x4s can leap buildings and that other cars (brand I have forgotten) causes large pots of paint to explode??

Its all personal circumstance isnt it.

We have got 1 £20k car, and till recently had a second Mondeo with 100k on the clock. Thats now gone and been replaced with a brand new Toyota Aygo on PCP. Put £300 deposit (would never ever put more than £500 in to a PCP) and £150 a month for 3 years, we know what the service costs will be etc, and will just get rid before MOT's etc.
Next car will either be a Porsche or some form of sports car (second hand) to avoid huge depreciation.

It amazes me how much people are willing to spend on push bikes.

Had a company car via car ownership scheme. Given the pricing, it was easy to see which cars lost money - Renaults 😯 . So as others have said, most people don't buy cars, they fund depreciation and promise to give it back in a reasonable condition. Cars that lose money slowest are therefore more affordable (relatively speaking).

Three years ago, I finally moved closer to work, and commuted by bike again. Had to fund the car for another two years, but it has been gone 13 months now. The car allowance pays for our aged Honda CRV, and I buy bike stuff instead.

The fact that I rode in today on a bike that cost the same as a decent car, is incidental, and I guess only a bike affcionado would notice the "status" it gives me 😉

Mate of mine still recons the best thing about ever owning* a porsche 911 is being able to say "because I felt like a c**t driving it" to any wannabbees that ask him why he got rid 😀

*Paid for from a nice % of a £1m plus sales deal at the time

amplebrew - Member
I completely understand why folks want and buy nice new cars, its all depends what you're into.

Some people get a lot of enjoyment from owning a nice car and I don't necessarily think they are trying to fill some kind of void.

Plenty of folks have a car as their hobby and get loads of fun from just owning and driving it; depreciation doesn't even enter into the equation.

If you really had the hots for a particular car and can afford it; then does it really matter what the depreciation is?

There is no point making do with something else and being too sensible about it. A car is probably the next dearest thing people buy after a house, so you need to love what you're spending all that money on.

I no longer run a car as I only work 7 miles away from work and I can get to the shops and trails without needing a car.

Agree.

I used to be quite into cars, but since moving to London I can't even entertain the idea of car ownership, and if I did it would be a sub £1k banger. Having said that if I was on £50k a year I might look at this differently.

I commute 22k miles/year which has gone down from 32k miles per year in my previous job. There was the odd traffic jam when there had been some kind of accident and there are always slow bits where the traffic backs up. But, I can't think of the last time I was sat in a proper traffic jam going nowhere fast.
There's still plenty of nice driving to be had in most parts of the country.

You must tell us where these wonderful empty roads are. So I can cycle on them.

You must tell us where these wonderful empty roads are. So I can cycle on them.

What I don't get is really how can people afford to run these cars, with the price of petrol the thought of having a Range Rover drinking all that would make me sell it.

I have asked myself the same question many times as I also earn a fair bit over the nation average yet don't feel that I could afford a new expensive car.

The question was partly answered when I re-mortgaged with FirstDirect and had a phone application where the very nice lady went over my bank acct during the process.
She was amazed that I had no bank loan, no car, loan, no lease, PCP, no maintenance, no credit card bill etc. It seems we are in a very small minority in saving up for things before we buy them (house excluded of course)

We save money every month and have a enough to live on for quite a while should something unfortunate happen - very very few people are in this situation and live month to month. If I took most of our savings and didn't overpay the mortgage (even better switch it to I/O) then I could pay for a very expensive car.

no bank loan, no car, loan, no lease, PCP, no maintenance, no credit card bill etc

tonyg2003 - Member

no bank loan, no car, loan, no lease, PCP, no maintenance, no credit card bill etc

Add no mortgage to that list and you can see why some people can afford expensive cars....

Some may still live with their parents so no even food bill ...

I am in the some situation as DaveRambo up there - no debts apart from the mortgage. I drive an 'expensive' car but it wasn't expensive to me. £40k car, bought 3 years old for £11.5k, now 8 years old with 180k miles. So in 5 years, it's cost me <200 a month in depreciation. I've had one 'unexpected' bill for £800 but apart from that it's only needed routine stuff, so I guess all in costs including that depreciation, maintenance, tyres, insurance, road tax is about £3500 a year. If I was to have the same car on my company car scheme the net deduction (lease cost + BIK tax) from my monthly pay would be about £800 - or £9600 a year. Plenty of people in the company do think that that is money well spent - I don't. But it's their choice.

ransos - Member

You must tell us where these wonderful empty roads are. So I can cycle on them.

I never said empty and I never said suitable for cycling on.

But, I commute round Peterborough, down the A1 and then onto the A14. Parts of the A14 get a bit slow, but nothing majorly bad for the stretch I use. Admittedly, other stretches of the A14 are a nightmare if you hit them at the wrong time.....
Prior to that it was the same, but carrying on down the A1 to Letchworth. Again - no real snarl ups, except for a bit slow at Black Cat roundabout and I had quite a few back road routes stored up in case of any major issues.

Not great driving roads, admittedly (quite the opposite in fact) but far removed from binners pic of total gridlock, which was the point I was trying to make....
I have been to Wales many times, Yorkshire, the Peak District, Devon & Cornwall, The South Coast around the New Forest, up to Scotland, Cumbria etc. and there's been plenty of excellent driving (and cycling) roads almost devoid of traffic....

I've lost count of the number of chavvy looking folk I've seen driving decent motors. Not saying they've not grafted for them, but I reckon a fair few bought council houses on the cheap (discounted) and are sitting on a stack of cash as a result, especially down here in the SE.

This is an outrage ! I was saw a chap wearing a footbll shirt and driving a rover, they`ll be playing golf next!!

Where I live in Surrey the big houses always seem to have old bangers outside and the smaller ones and flats seem to have the 911s, Astons etc. Funny that.

'Two cars on the drive, nothing in the fridge' as the saying goes.

It more socially acceptable to shout how well you're doing by driving down the street in your Aston than walking round holding up your wallet or shoving your Rolex in peoples' faces.

Another way of looking at it:

Buy new car at 25K, depreciation 12.5K in 3 years cost = £347 a month
Buy same car second hand 12.5K depreciation 6.25K in 3 years + additional put asside for tyres + repairs + cambelts etc (say £2k) = £229 a month

Thats £118 a month extra for the peace of mind of a totally new warrantied car that was 25K new eg octavia golf etc..

OK I havent included interest on the payments but you get the idea.

theres a guy in our street must be very early 20's, he drives a 13 plate Audi A3, rents his house and works in a local factory on an average wage.

he told me he took out a massive loan for it, he doesnt drink or go out much but the car makes him happy.

theres also a recent housing estate near us that has just sold the last new house, i know a few lads who live there (all have 1-3 year old audis, mercs, jeeps)and its all about the 'image' they freely admit they dont have a pot too p*ss in and are loaned/credit carded up to the max and all have interest only mortgages and its all about the image!

end of the day each to their own.

As above, paid for by lease/loan, it's always been cheap to extend the mortgage a bit if you don't want to go car finance route which is more expensive, if you are disciplined you are not increasing your debt over the life of the car. New vs older, cars these days have 24 month service internals and very low costs over first 4 or even 6 years

BTW all you lovers of the BMW M3, you can buy a Porsche Cayman for the same money, 2 vs 4 seats but a much better car

Bloke I know works for Ford. He's a pm in engine design, and gets two cars at a time. Only catch if you can call it that, is that they're only allowed to keep them for a few months then they go back and he gets a new pair. Pretty much pick of the range, always top spec cars. Oh, and one of them is always a seven seater that goes to his sister in law to use for her child minding business- he doesnt even need to keep it for his own use. In the old days it was a disco, but obviously galaxy's now.
I've never dared ask him how much the scheme costs them, or the ins and outs of it. I'm guessing not much but it's a hell of a bonus.

Not great driving roads, admittedly (quite the opposite in fact) but far removed from binners pic of total gridlock, which was the point I was trying to make....

It's a photograph - how do you know it's gridlock? All you seem to be doing is confirming that driving is mostly a chore unless you're in a part of the country where there aren't many jobs.

I'm kind of with the OP except maybe I'm willing to just go with the idea that people have different priorities to me.

I have an 09 Mondeo. It was approx £13k when I bought it at 8 months old. That's plenty for me as it's big (I'm tall), has plenty of space to be convenient, isn't too thirsty and I like driving it. I just can't see what I'd gain out of spending more given that it is just a tool for getting round (and I'm no car hater - I love cars as it goes but I think I'd only ever want something fast if I could actually take it round the track regualarly).

The funny thing I find though is when I meet other people at similar level to me professionally - they almost invariably seem to drive Audis/BMWs as company cars. I did the sums and it just didn't make sense to me - not even close actually - so I took the allowance but I always get the impression that they're suprised that I 'only' drive a Mondeo and don't want an Audi or BMW. In fact, I know a few have asked about me behind my back to check that I'm not just pretending to be on their level professionally...

I guess it's just a cultural thing isn't it? Success = house, car, family. Car is often the most visible.

I bought a new car recently (sorry Cougar), the salesman wasn't a bit surprised when I replied "cheque" when he asked how I wished to pay. It had a negligible impact on my disposable income and I don't use it for any of the following except for objects to big to carry on a bike.

Most people use their cars for commuting, the school run and shopping. They are purely a convenient tool

It's a toy, a nasty polluting toy, so I try not to play with it too much.

As for a status symbol, my neighbours would be more impressed by a 2CV than any modern car but a 2CV won't swallow three people and their bikes.

Bloke I know works for Ford. He's a pm in engine design, and gets two cars at a time. Only catch if you can call it that, is that they're only allowed to keep them for a few months

& then sold on the the unsuspecting public as ex demos?

Another way of looking at it:

Buy new car at 25K, depreciation 12.5K in 3 years cost = £347 a month
Buy same car second hand 12.5K depreciation 6.25K in 3 years + additional put asside for tyres + repairs + cambelts etc (say £2k) = £229 a month

Thats £118 a month extra for the peace of mind of a totally new warrantied car that was 25K new eg octavia golf etc..

OK I havent included interest on the payments but you get the idea.

Bit exagerated to assume that a new car would require no maintenence, and yes you conveniently forgot the interest payments on your loan which at 7% typical would be around £70 a month (assuming you financed the whole car) or probably similar payable to a lease company (i.e. their profit) if you leased. Add an annual service (at main dealer prices to avoid voiding the warranty) and say a full set of tyres in the three years and you're looking at around £1.5k or £42 per month.

So new car would cost £459 per month, second hand would be £229 a month - or £230 cheaper. If you're a higher rate tax payer then you'd need to earn an extra £4k a year to cover that!

Don't forget that with the way cars are made these days then a 3-6 year old car usually won't require significantly more maintainace that a 1-3 year old car, particularly if you buy well, plus all the recalls or niggles that you often get with new cars will have normally been sorted by the first owner. With a car outside the warranty period you also have the option to service at an independant specialist, at around half the cost a main dealer would normally rip you off by.

Rather you than me, and my peace of mind comes from knowing I always actually own my cars and could sell whenever if circumstances change, plus splitting the extra I save between a retirement investment and the odd foreign holiday - paid for with money rather than a loan.

Whatever floats your though boat I guess.

its all about keeping up with the neighbors/ colleagues etc

the funny thing about croozing around in flash motors- ive got mates that work in the city with some truly tasteless (to me) porches, bmws, convertibles etc, they see them as 'fanny magnets'
but in reality its mostly blokes that check you out as you are tearing away from the traffic lights like the stig or looking cool on the scene driving past bars in kensington

however when I had a summer job working for the council in 2.5 tonne builders trucks...copy of TheSun, maccyD wrappers on the dash- all the cliches I was amazed at the number of women that slyly (some not so slyly) glance up to the cab

Was that after you did that Diet Coke advertising campaign though Kimbers? 😀

binners - Member
Was that after you did that Diet Coke advertising campaign though Kimbers?

when they saw me and my mate driving they usually just looked away dissapointed

so I took the allowance but I always get the impression that they're suprised that I 'only' drive a Mondeo and don't want an Audi or BMW. In fact, I know a few have asked about me behind my back to check that I'm not just pretending to be on their level professionally...

That's one of the most tragic things I've ever heard. And sort of says it all about why certain people buy certain cars. The kind of people that marketing departments wet themselves with glee over. Talk about desperate insecurity!

Ha ha I turned up for my 1st IT contract role in a battered old Micra, the others thought me a bit odd as they had Beemers and the like. The thing is I lived in London and rarely used my car and had to leave it on the street so it was ideal for that.

To all of you saying "how do people afford expensive cars" there is probably a forum somewhere of people saying "how do people afford £1K on a bike". It's all relative.

It is indeed all relative - I doubt there are actually people asking how others can afford a £1k bike - why people would spend that much on a bike, maybe, but not afford. The thing is, even that "cheap" PCP mentioned up there costs a total of £5700 over 3 years, which is several thousand more than my car is likely to cost over the same period (my last car cost ~£800 a year in depreciation, I'm expecting the current one to do rather better), making "expensive" bikes very easy to afford given the same amount of income.

It amazes me how much people are willing to spend on push bikes.

A lot less than you're spending on a basic boring car?

People say they buy new cars because they don't want any unexpected bills

They replace the chance of a big bill with the guarantee of an even bigger loss due to depreciation 🙄

Funny thing with cars as status symbols is they dont point you out as rich, often more aspirational.

Most of the properly rich people I know seem to drive around in battered old Peugouts or similar.

So as said before, its leasing when you pay for the difference between new and resale, people getting hocked up usually with the cars previously leased and there are rather annoyingly quite a lot of people out there who earn six figures or have done well in property,investments or inheritence.

Buggers..eh, mind due we all like a car that start, stops has a good radio and the aircon works.

I worked with a contractor who prefaced everything with it's value and brand (i.e. I was driving my 34K Audi after watching my 3K Sony TV while drinking a £40 bottle of Lindernams ). Bit sad really.

Oh well, he's married with kids now and he's driving round in a 15k Piscasso 😉

Certainly not jealousy...just curiosity. I just wonder how the school run car park can be so full of Discos, Range Rovers, Audi's, BMWs etc...I would love any of them frankly, and there's me in my crappy Insignia, which cost me £10k....I won't feel quite so inadequate knowing that they're all 'renting'.

TBH I was raised to be a bit debt averse and while I'm hardly rolling in savings, I'm not really up to my eyeballs in debt either (Ignoring our mortgage).

I'd just see a shiny new motor as a scary, money sucking financial millstone, I'm sure we have the credit rating to go out and get ourselves neck deep in finance in the pursuit of a Blinged out chav mobile, but we've resisted up to now...

I think people are too quick to overlook the joys of [I]bangonomics[/I] these days, you can buy some ridiculous mid 90s-mid 00s cars for peanuts...

Can't afford an M3 you say? I bet You can if you're willing to compromise on New & Shiney-ness, find something W/X reg in reasonable shape under 120K, drive it for 6 months, decide you're not actually that much of a boy racer, then chop it in for about even money (assuming the gearbox lasts) and embark on your next bargain bin motoring adventure...

The other thing is that certain 10+ year old cars carry on working really rather well and are still perfectly serviceable, I'm always noticing just how many Mk4 golfs of a similar vintage to our own, on W/X/01/02 plates, these are "Old" cars by current standards but there's still a lot of them going...

[i]"the funny thing about croozing around in flash motors- ive got mates that work in the city with some truly tasteless (to me) porches, bmws, convertibles etc, they see them as 'fanny magnets'"[/i]

Where as most people will assume they are some kind of penis extension.

Has the car you drive ever helped pull a member of the opposite (or maybe the same) sex? I drive a 1965 Beetle and the only admiring glances it gets are from other middle aged chaps. And I am certainly not interested in them.

What he says ^^. Our 9 year old mondeo doesn't have a bit of rust on it.
Cars last so much better these days.

Not having a car and having to hitch hike resulted in many propositions from both sexes some of which I was happy to accept. Then I bought a car and got married. However recent hitching has confirmed that the offers are still there even if I politely decline.

Not having a car and having to hitch hike resulted in many propositions from both sexes some of which I was happy to accept. Then I bought a car and got married. However recent hitching has confirmed that the offers are still there even if I politely decline.

Do go on....

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Edukator?

If you know where to look and fit the criteria, people are desperate to get you into something big new and shiny.

Audi Q5? - suit you sir http://www.contracthireandleasing.com/car-leasing-companies/independent-brokers/all-vehicle-contracts/audi/q5/16306319/

And all for less than the cost of the depreciation if you bought it for cash.

I'm surprised that people feel so strongly about this - but then it is STW...

Let people spend their money on what they want.

A couple of amusing "declines" from my youth:

Being kicked out by a disappointed guy onto the hard shoulder on the autoroute near Chambery. It was getting dark and there was nothing for miles around. A long hike to the road.

A truck driver (in the days when professional drivers were allowed to pick up hitchers) got very insistent and indicated off down a deserted slip road which wasn't on the route he'd told me. At that point I grabbed the air-brake lever and steering wheel, and told him we'd have a big accident if he didn't continue to the next services.

A delightful German lady in an open-top BMW picked me up near Nice and took me to Munich. We bounced up the stairs to her flat, she opened up and was confronted with her boyfriend who was back early from a business trip. I saved her life by asking where the phone was and rang my parents for what must have been a very strange conversation (no mobiles back then) while she went down for her bags. Thanking her for the use of the phone I waved goodbye.

As for those I didn't decline, Madame sometimes reads this forum.

Edit: could be Dickyboy, My pic is on the mugshots thread for comparison.

I drive an A6 2.0TDI SLine Avant Le Mans Edition. Costs me a small deposit (£900ish) and £289 a month. I obviously don't own it - it's a 2 year lease through my business (so tax deductible and makes even more of a saving).

In October I am upgrading to a 3.0l V6 Quattro version - £390 a month on a 4 year lease.

There is no way I would buy a car that expensive and the 'family' car is 7 years old - bought new for £15k on a 3 year finance plan and will be kept until it falls apart.

What I don't get is really how can people afford to run these cars, with the price of petrol the thought of having a Range Rover drinking all that would make me sell it.

Edit: could be Dickyboy, My pic is on the mugshots thread for comparison.

I've seen that thread and can confirm that Educators face does indeed look like an arse.

Why do people want nice cars? 2 words: Buttertubs Pass (between Swaledale and Wensleydale). Fantastic drive!

Having said that, there's a difference between "nice" and "expensive".

I also don't get the point of buying brand new, and wouldn't be happy with finance. My "new" car is ten years old, but it's still a nice drive, and I have the security of owning it outright (although I do owe Mr Mule senior some money...).

*crosses fingers and hopes there isn't a massive repair bill just round the corner...*

8 years ago my wife an I were a professional couple with low rent having good times, and I bought a nearly new BMW330i to mess about around the motorways with using an "Options" type scheme. Buy 2009 we saved enough money to buy a nearly new Ford Kuga outright (minus depreciation) when we got married as we expected KJ01 at least was coming.

Now, 8 years later I have 2 kids, one about to start school, one about to start nursery and a mortgage. There's no way I can consider buying a new motor until at least the Nursery time has ended. Therefore;

My "new" car is ten years old, but it's still a nice drive, and I have the security of owning it outright

what she said ^^

Now, another view is this - 2 colleagues at work did very well in the boom times and now have 4/5 bedroom houses, 2 newish BMW / Audi's each and grown up (well, 9-10yo) kids.

Also, whilst on a treat trip to Harvester on Saturday I saw some local "youts" chatting through their respective car windows - one in a 130i and the other in an S3, both 2yo cars. I bet they don't have mortgages to pay eh?

Life's circumstances are different for everyone, and change.

FWIW my Mrs has drives a car that was about 35K new. (which was 7 years ago.)
A very clean Merc CLK 320 cdi with 63K on the clock & FSH. She paid £8,750 for it 2 months ago.

Why do people want nice cars? 2 words: Buttertubs Pass (between Swaledale and Wensleydale). Fantastic drive!

+1 used to get single figure mpg out of my V6 Golf on that. Committing to the corner at the bottom of the 1 in 4 hill on the way back to Thwaite with just 4 Pilot Sport tyres and a rather small cable crash barrier between you and a 200 foot drop takes some nerve......

Edit you can just see the top of the hill on the horizon here:

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I never said empty and I never said suitable for cycling on.

But, I commute round Peterborough, down the A1 and then onto the A14. Parts of the A14 get a bit slow, but nothing majorly bad for the stretch I use. Admittedly, other stretches of the A14 are a nightmare if you hit them at the wrong time.....
Prior to that it was the same, but carrying on down the A1 to Letchworth. Again - no real snarl ups, except for a bit slow at Black Cat roundabout and I had quite a few back road routes stored up in case of any major issues.

Not great driving roads, admittedly (quite the opposite in fact) but far removed from binners pic of total gridlock, which was the point I was trying to make....
I have been to Wales many times, Yorkshire, the Peak District, Devon & Cornwall, The South Coast around the New Forest, up to Scotland, Cumbria etc. and there's been plenty of excellent driving (and cycling) roads almost devoid of traffic....

Has it occurred to you that if they sell all these cars to people then it means that for the majority of people the roads have to have cars in them. Otherwise, where do all the cars go? There are some deserted roads, but that is because nobody is using them. Therefore the depiction in the adverts cannot help but distort the reality of motoring for the majority.

I work for a car manufacturer and they run an employee lease scheme on which I can have 3 cars for myself or friends and family, not quite pick of the entire range but a reasonable selection running from £130 to £250 per month. However this also includes your tax and insurance so this is all you pay.

Bearing in mind [i]any[/i] car will cost you around £1k per year (tax, insurance, mot, servicing, repairs, depreciation, interest) for an extra few hundred I get a brand new car every year. Well the girlfriend does anyway (I get to cycle to work or borrow the car sometimes)and as she works late evenings its worth it to have the piece of mind that she's not going to be left stranded by a breakdown.

she works late evenings its worth it to have the piece of mind that she's not going to be left stranded by a breakdown.

I work for a car manufacturer and they run an employee lease scheme on which I can have 3 cars for myself or friends and family, not quite pick of the entire range but a reasonable selection running from £130 to £250 per month. However this also includes your tax and insurance so this is all you pay.

Same here, my OH works for Kia. She has a company car and her parents have one as well. I could get one, but really can't justify two cars as I only live 3 miles from work!

Now, 8 years later I have 2 kids, one about to start school, one about to start nursery and a mortgage. There's no way I can consider buying a new motor until at least the Nursery time has ended.

You're expecting to have more money when kids are in school instead of nursery? 😆

So you don't work for Renault then?

Lol not quite, they do share many components though.

A car is simply a tool, so you only need to pay enough for it to do the job you need it to do.

The marketers need to sell you something more than that.

The problem is that if you are already the person they depict in their adverts, you don't need the car to be so, and if being that person is something you aspire to, buying the car won't make it so.

Prestige is earned, not bought.

I find that it can be circumstantial, when i was 21 i couldn't get a loan so had to go for a new car on finance in order to be able to get one, but in those days the deals were quite good (sub-£200 a month) which meant that 3 years of payments only meant i was paying a couple K over the list price. Now i have a 4 year old Golf and that was less than half the new price and with less that 40k too. From my hunting around when i bought this 8 months ago, there was a world of difference between the quality of car you could get for £12k, some brand new but no spec. list, and some good on paper but were a bag of nails.

Most people do buy their cars as aspirational tools, like people have said, people are happy to spend £4k on a carbon 150mm trail bike that they ride 15-20miles a week, and on that basis cost per mile used, a £50k Porsche/BMW/Audi isn't too bad really.

A car is simply a tool, so you only need to pay enough for it to do the job you need it to do.

aracer - Member
Now, 8 years later I have 2 kids, one about to start school, one about to start nursery and a mortgage. There's no way I can consider buying a new motor until at least the Nursery time has ended.
You're expecting to have more money when kids are in school instead of nursery?

*is nervous of the implication that in 10 years time ill be driving around in a 21yo Beemer :-/ *

I once spent £1750 on a car but try to keep it below a grand if I can

imnotverygood - Member

Has it occurred to you that if they sell all these cars to people then it means that for the majority of people the roads have to have cars in them. Otherwise, where do all the cars go? There are some deserted roads, but that is because nobody is using them. Therefore the depiction in the adverts cannot help but distort the reality of motoring for the majority.

Not really, no. I can't say I have thought about it all that much.
I just found it funny that people were getting a bee in their bonnet about car manufacturers creating misleading adverts or something along those lines, when most products are sold in misleading ways.

I never mentioned deserted roads, I was responding to binners' picture of a packed road and his comment that for most people, that was probably driving reality, which I disagree with.....but anyhow...thanks for clearing up for me that if people buy cars there must be cars on the road. I can't argue with your logic....I will sleep soundly tonight.

johndoh - Member
"A car is simply a tool, so you only need to pay enough for it to do the job you need it to do."

The same could be said for pretty much anything most of us own - your bike, your telly, your clothes, your food, your phone, your house, your etc...

True, but why be an indentured slave?

I don't confuse my toys with my transport.

Seriously? Really? I don't understand how your choices are the correct ones.

The point is that a car isn't a toy, a bike is. If you think a car is a toy then you're part of the problem.

I find this quite a funny concept as well and that comes from a dedicated car lover ! I'm always surprised at what cars you see rattling around and how people justify them, never mind afford them. I work in a position where our car park could be full of very flash cars - it isn't which is weird - manly land rovers, basic subarus and a few audis. Oh there is a c55 AMG but nothing too lairy. I must be getting old and sensible - had 993s, 997 gt3, rs4 and now .... a VW california and a 8 year old megane rs255 which cost peanuts ! Rest of the cash is in the bank as i can't justify something flash to myself and really I don't need it.

The point is that a car isn't a toy, a bike is. If you think a car is a toy then you're part of the problem

I have a car that is a toy.

One definition of a toy, An object, esp. a gadget or machine, regarded as providing amusement for an adult.

my self and my dad have a hot rod with a flat top v8 in it, It is a car, however is not used for domestic purposes it stored about 300 miles from where i live and doesnt get out too much.

But i assure you its great fun,and deffinatly a toy.

Anyone who thinks a car cannot be a toy is a muppet.

It's a photograph - how do you know it's gridlock?

But i assure you its great fun,and deffinatly a toy.

How do you have fun with it?

When we take it out on the track its stored at.

a 5.7lt flat top v8 sitting in a car that, with out the engine can pretty much be lifted on to ramps by one person. kicking out 488bhp (rolling road) just sitting in it with it running is fun.Never mind hitting a corrner at 140mph.

But even driving down the road at the speed limit or sitting at the traffic lights is fun in it just due to the looks and intrest people give.

But if your not into the engineering behind these things and see cars as the devil you will never understand these things. Just like the average driver will never unders and your love for riding a bike.

My wife wants to trade her 2010 Jeep Grand Cherokee for a 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee as hers is getting "old"... We're not what you would call "wealthy", it's just priorities... We will take a hit from depreciation, so payments will continue more-or-less the same. I imagine she'll want to change this one too in 2016 ad infinitum... My daily driver is 14 years old and I'm fine with that. I used to change my perfectly good DH bike and race gear every race season, so who am I to judge.

When we take it out on the track its stored at.

So in the context of the discussion it doesn't count. I'm sure the fun in rolling down the street posing would fairly quickly wear off it that was all you did with it.

Meh.
I like to think that even wedged I would not choose expensive car, would still be second hand. And then go on a nice holiday.
And I could not spend out on a car to be flash or for image.

johndoh - Member
Seriously? Really? I don't understand how your choices are the correct ones.

OK put it this way. If your car is your toy, then splurge as much as you like on it, but if it is for transport don't spend a cent more than necessary on it.

(I have a long history of buying toys 🙂 )

I lived in Singapore, cars there are expensive - treble the cost in the UK, cars still sell in large numbers and they have road toll pricing everywhere

Basic car - similar cost to uk, zero discount
Car purchase tax 110% (yes that's more than the price of the car)
COE - certificate of emissions,masts for 10 years (then you have to buy another), roughly based on pollution calculation, these sell in a fixed number by auction, if you buy a car but don't get the COE you cannot drive your car. Currently these are selling for £75k for larger engines.

A VW golf there is around £70k, sports cars ( and they sell hundreds) Porsche 911 / Aston approx £300k, Lambourgini (very popular) £500k. Used cars are similarly expensive

This proves to me the demand for cars is totally bizarre, people will pay almost anything

I am happy for people to spend their money as they see fit, but personally struggle with investing (sic) large amounts in an asset that will depreciate as rapidly as most cars. Then I go to my SIL's (state) school and see the numbers of RR Evoques/Vogues, BMWs, Mercs etc in the car park and struggle with the idea of spending say £70k on a car rather than in a child's education (althought clearly not as simple a choice as that sounds). But that is the joy of choice - each to their own.

But what do I know? Went into local Evans to get some new inners tubes last night (8 o'clock closing, impressive) and look at the price of MTBs in there and that really did leave me scratching my head. Recession, sorry, flat growth, what flat growth?!?!

The new Norco in lime/yellow did look nice though 😉

Then I go to my SIL's (state) school and see the numbers of RR Evoques/Vogues, BMWs, Mercs etc in the car park and struggle with the idea of spending say £70k on a car rather than in a child's education

There's a lot of similarity between posh cars and private schools.

Anyhow, if anyone wants a free SUV, the trophy wives who park outside my shop while they go to collect their private school kids from the bus stop usually leave their engines running.

Cars and the topic of cars seem to spike a lot of jealousy and envy, this thread is ripe with it!

And anyone who can't see how a car can be a toy is being deliberately flippant and obtuse. Bikes were invented as a tool first then the toy stage came later.

You only live once, if I had money I'd be spending it on experiences first (like my trip to Aus and NZ start of next year) then once I've got that out of the way I'll be saving for an expensive car.

Life's too short, let's all go buy M3's on PCP tomorrow.

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Agree.

We did the same and by me running a company Vectra (rather than the 5 series I was 'entitled' to) and my wife just having a base Saxo we could afford private school for our son.