@bails wow love the Napoleonic era quote. i doubt even the hardest Brexiters expected to be that successful winding the clock back, they asked for a mere 40 years.
He'll bring up the Laffer curve in a minute...
I won’t but ask yourself which government and party recently rejected the idea of raising income tax as it would lead to lower tax revenues?
Hint: their supporters who eject the ladder curve of the underlying principle of TIE. Funny that...
You just did bring it up - why do you"debate" in such a passive aggressive manner?
Just say what you think without all the pretence/cryptic BS.
eject the ladder
Clearly - makes perfect sense!
<scratches head>
Dr - excuse fat fingers and typing on iPhone with autocorrect on
I am merely pointing out that supporters of Scottish independence and the SNP are very happy to argue for competitive corporate tax policies when it suits them and also to reject raising income tax rises due to fears that this will reduce the tax take (the concept behind the Laffer curve) and yet reject the same ideas in a different context (when it suits their agenda) and try to pretend that such views are excluding to those of a RW persuasion and/or Tories!!
As before you can decide whether that is inconsistent, hypocritical or merely demonstrating a lack of basic understanding. Either way the irony is as amusing as ever.
And someone mentioned trolling 😀
Dr - excuse fat fingers and typing on iPhone with autocorrect on
Yes, I was just teasing 🙂
I am merely pointing out that [b]some [/b]supporters of Scottish independence and the SNP
FTFY
Its nearly three years since they stopped arguing for this but we can forgive your lack of expertise in the area of economics and politics.Do you want a link seeing as you despise inaccuracy ....in othersthe SNP are very happy to argue for competitive corporate tax policies
The SNP has no relevance to this debate except to show how long and childishly you bear a grudge irrespective of the facts.
The polite conclusion is that remoaners are inconsistent in their views,
Have you consulted the fishermen of grimsby recently? Haha!
You won we lost get over it and get on with it.
😆
and project fear becoming project fact moves on.
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https://www.ft.com/content/e7674638-d078-11e7-b781-794ce08b24dcIn the area of aviation in particular, the European Commission sees little room for creativity or “bespoke” arrangement that the UK is hoping to negotiate, according to a presentation to the EU member states seen by the Financial Times.
If Britain left the single market, the paper states, UK-owned airlines would automatically lose existing flying rights in Europe’s “fully liberalised” aviation market, and would no longer be entitled to EU recognition of approvals for parts or certificates for airworthiness.
Yes there are options, but none of them are particularly good for UK airlines, and ultimately consumers. deregulation brought fares down, wonder what the reverse will do....
After three everyone ........
If Britain left the single market, the paper states, UK-owned airlines would automatically lose existing flying rights in Europe’s “fully liberalised” aviation market, and would no longer be entitled to EU recognition of approvals for parts or certificates for airworthiness.
It’s another unthought thru consequence of leaving ... “death by a thousand cuts”
When your in the club you can pretty much make the rules up to suit yourself for people not in the club.
You've got it all wrong, they are really green activists. They realise that we'll never give up our cheap flights willingly so have hatched a plan to decimate the flights to/from the uk and slash our carbon emissions.
And solves the new airport/runway conundrum they were struggling with.
It's genius really....
Who’s in control of the narrative again?
Coordinate pressure / EU bullying on May over next two weeks to make her acquiesce. Mostly in themselves non stories - but hey, no flights to Europe makes a good headline - but all a coordinated ramping up of pressure.
It’s rare to see Europe in harmony but when it comes to picking on their own they know how to do that well
Who decided to leave without having a plan?
Failure to plan is planning to fail.
Suck it up princess snowflake. TNUMTWNT...
You are always so charming
Obviously, the EU are. Primarily because the tories haven't got close to agreeing their own preferred narrative yet. We have the likes of Owen Patterson airily insisting that WTO terms are great (while not apparently aware of the fact that there's so much more to sort out than trade tariffs). So no need for May to acquiesce to anything, right?
Indeed.
They should start with hard and then soften from there. Not the other way round
Isn't that how grown ups run businesses, getting the best deal, using leverage, maximising profits?
Start with the hard problems like the NI border and sorting out their existing liabilities, before moving on to the "easiest trade deal in history"? Great idea.
No but nice twist
Those SHOULD come after the nature of the deal. But we know that!!
Well I thought DD and the the rest of the Three ****witeers all agreed on the scheduling. They won we lost get over it.
I have. Even had Frankfurt, Geneva and Paris this week. Getting on with business with EU friends as per...
The germans have their own concerns as do the French with the Eu frowning on their deficit plans. The Eu don’t get economics but hey ho..no wonder the gNats see eye to eye with them
teamhurtmore - Member
The Eu don’t get economics but hey ho....
"Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists"
Those SHOULD come after the nature of the deal. But we know that!!
No, we don't know that. Only the deluded / those who believe 'they need us etc' think that. If I was to leave my partnership tomorrow other partners would just want to know I'd settled my obligations in accordance with what had been agreed when I came into partnership. My other partners would not be really interested in me trying to settle these obligations by reference to my future employment prospects.
Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists
#brexitgravytrain
If you want three opinion ask two economists though THM seems to exce amongst economists as he can do this without the help of a second .....he is that good
PS any date on the EZ collapse seeing economics is so powerful
Failing that a date at which you stop predicting its demise?
TCLHAO
EU bullying
Hilarious. Just not cricket is it? Did you miss the bit about the long term stability and cohesiveness of the EU being more important to them than selling stuff to us? Doesn't really work does it if one of it's biggest members just ups and leaves with no apparent penalties. If that happens the whole thing will fall apart as the likes of italy, spain and others will all want to leave. The EU don't look at the UK as a 'deep and special' future partner, they look at us as an existential threat.
Who’s in control of the narrative again?
Daily Mail /Telegraph
Coordinate pressure / EU bullying on May over next two weeks to make her acquiesce. Mostly in themselves non stories - but hey, no flights to Europe makes a good headline - but all a coordinated ramping up of pressure.
Pointing out that someone's homework is rubbish isn't bullying.
It’s rare to see Europe in harmony but when it comes to picking on their own they know how to do that well
We aren't 'one of their own' anymore (well soon won't be).
I am flabbergasted that anyone can still think that leaving is a good idea, as every single "reason" they offered has been pretty much discredited.
In years to come this whole, sorry saga will come to be a textbook case for psychologists about the dangers of ego. Just admit you're wrong and back down, rather than blustering on.
We can but hope that this - combined with the nonsense happening in the USA - marks the beginning of the end of toxic masculinity.
. The EU don't look at the UK as a 'deep and special' future partner, they look at us as an existential threat.
Agreed.
More success.
These were supposed to be the easiest trade negotiations ever. Man, the clusterf*** takes on ever more epic proportions.
I don't imagine many of our elected representatives will have read this damning indictment of the Australian economy (nor recognised the parallels with our own terminally declining and over financialised economy).
It's a long read, but well worth the effort: https://medium.com/@matt_11659/matt-barrie-australias-economy-is-a-house-of-cards-6877adb3fb2f
they look at us as an existential threat
Really? How does an impoverished divided and marginalised UK that is being steered by the unholy alliance of Gove and Johnson pose a threat to the existence of EU? I don't think anyone is going to be looking over the fence and thinking that our grass is anything but covered knee deep in s***.
Other way round. If we do well, it makes the EU look unnecessary.
Even if we only do as well as now, the EU isn’t relevant.
So it is in the EU’s interests to see us do badly, even if it hurts them a bit.
So the TNUMTWNT line is sadly fatally flawed even if the economics works out (which I remain to be convinced about).
Interestingly of course offering us a deal (that is of course offered to all EU nations whatever it might be) to get us to stay would be very much in their interests, provided it stops the rot there and then.
If
So I'm struggling with todays Brexit analogy, it's either you just kicked somebody and missed the balls, so now they are beating the shit out of you or you signed a rigid prenup then got the au pair pregnant and have to pay for a divorce, child support and the new kid....
Come 2019 if the current bunch of idiots remain blaming the EU for everything will start to become harder. Those that delivered but failed to acknowledge the real issues will be stuffed. This is not a time for patriotism it's not like pretending England can win the world cup through blind faith and 12 pints.
What is your measure of 'doing well'? I suspect a THM/Banks perception of 'doing well' through and excursion into disaster capitalism is somewhat different to Joe Bod's.
They were always going to blame the EU for the fact the "deal" we wanted was unachievable...whatever happens the people to blame will never be the people who voted for this it will be the EU for shafting us and those who "wont get behind Brexit" who get the blame.
I don’t think THM’s view of doing well or badly is much different to anyone else’s.
Note that he freely states that the EU without the euro was a good deal and we won’t get a better one.
He’s just trying to make the best of a bad situation.
Fair play.
Not that different myself.
That said he may wish to reread his first post on this thread and see if there’s still time to edit it. 😉
to some degree we all are but i think its silly to ask folk to jump on the bus and help steer it off the cliff.
Its obvious many are just going to stand on the sidelines and say I told you this would happen
I dont think there is anything personally i can do that will hep and its obviously far easier for THM to get behind a tory leadership than it is for me to get behind them.
I dont see either approach as intrinsically bad or poor or unethical etc - its free will- but i see little need to insult those who have made a different choice to you.
I Still remain * convinced it was a poor choice
* See what i did there
A interesting link, reluctantlondoner. I got as far a houses being sold at auction and have bookmarked. A lot of parallels can be drawn with the UK except that Australian is heavily reliant on mining and Britain is heavily reliant on financial services which I'm expecting Brexit to severely impact but some here disagree.
IGM. I stand by the first post. What needs changing?
Having a referendum on membership of something that cannot survive in its current format was always a silly idea.
Who’s in control of the narrative again?
Obvious
But do an experiment for UK only - google Brexit and note links on first page.
