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                        <title>Re: High Security Chain / Lock advice</title>
                        <link>https://singletrackworld.com/forum/bike-forum/high-security-chain-lock-advise/#post-7492691</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Indeed. It&#039;s to slow them down more than anything.
The issue with going for longer chains is that they&#039;re more likely to end up hanging down to the floor, which makes the job of cutting them...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shame of it is, if they break into your garage and your chain looks like too much of a challenge, they'll just cut through the frame and nick the bike for components anyway.</p>
<p>Indeed. It's to slow them down more than anything.</p>
<p>The issue with going for longer chains is that they're more likely to end up hanging down to the floor, which makes the job of cutting them easier.</p>
<p>All these fancy chains from Almax and the like will resist cropping but a fairly small, cheap battery angle grinder will still chop through them in no time (albeit with a bit more noise).
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                        <title>Re: High Security Chain / Lock advice</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Can a chain be too big -
Yes and no is the answer to that. 
Yes when the practicality and weight of such a big chain could damage what it is securing.
No as the bigger the chain the harder i...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can a chain be too big -</p>
<p>Yes and no is the answer to that. </p>
<p>Yes when the practicality and weight of such a big chain could damage what it is securing.</p>
<p>No as the bigger the chain the harder it is to cut.</p>
<p>I went for a pragmasis 13mm chain and was surprised by the size and weight of the thing when it arrived, it is a big chain, much bigger than anything you will see in a local diy or bike store. The other thing to consider is how the chain is made, Pragmasis and Almax i believe go through a specific heat treatment to make them as strong as possible without getting too brittle, you can end up with very hard to cut chains that will just shatter if smashed by a mallet if the heat treatment is done wrong.</p>
<p>Ultimately hoever, if they want through the chain and cant crop it with bolt cutters then a battery powered grinder will do the job.</p>
<p>My advice is get a chain that meets or exceeds the requirements of your insurance policy (solid secure gold for example) for your bike and is practical for use in that if it slips out of your hand when unlocking it is not gonna wreck your frame.
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                        <title>Re: High Security Chain / Lock advice</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[You&#039;re mixing up two completely different things.  Lifting chains are designed for tensile stength, ie lifting stuff.  Security chains are designed to be  impervious to cutting (ie har...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been looking at lifting and anchor chains as they seem to be cheaper</p>
<p>You're mixing up two completely different things.  Lifting chains are designed for tensile stength, ie lifting stuff.  Security chains are designed to be  impervious to cutting (ie hard).  These two charactreistics are  mutually exclusive.  Your lifting chain would be really good at resisting a thief grabbing both ends and trying to break it by pulling it apart, but will be slightly softer than a decent case hardened security chain.  So the thief will be able to cut it relatively easily.</p>
<p>In response to the OP, be cautious about using a thin bit of string/rope to measure required length.  The chain is hugely bulky and so needs a much longer cifcumference than a piece of flexible string.  Buy much longer than you think  you need.  I stupidly took Steve's advice on length and bought two 2.5m chains.  They were too short and really annoyed me.  In the end I went back and bought a 4m one as well.  It's much much better.
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                        <title>Re: High Security Chain / Lock advice</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Can a chain be too big? 
I have been looking at lifting and anchor chains as they seem to be cheaper and buyable by the metre. It is possible to get in 13mm (£15/m, 3.8kg/m), 16mm (£20/m 5.6...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can a chain be too big? </p>
<p>I have been looking at lifting and anchor chains as they seem to be cheaper and buyable by the metre. It is possible to get in 13mm (£15/m, 3.8kg/m), 16mm (£20/m 5.6kg/m) and even 20mm (£30/m. 9kg/m).</p>
<p>Most standard 3ft lever bolt cutters are advertised as being able to cut up to 12mm, which suggests that a bike secured with anything thicker than that would require a little more effort or forethought to steal. Although if somebody is really determined then they will find a way, or just strip the frame. </p>
<p>Whatever thickness I get will be wrapped in a tube to protect the frame, ground anchored and have a beefy padlock, but is the additional weight and expense of a 16mm or 20mm chain worth the hassle?
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                        <title>Re: High Security Chain / Lock advice</title>
                        <link>https://singletrackworld.com/forum/bike-forum/high-security-chain-lock-advise/#post-7492687</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2015 14:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I went for Abus Granite Extreme Plus it&#039;s really a motor bike type &amp; very heavy, three bikes recently departed my garage one night but they didn&#039;t get the one with the Abus chain &amp; L...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went for Abus Granite Extreme Plus it's really a motor bike type &amp; very heavy, three bikes recently departed my garage one night but they didn't get the one with the Abus chain &amp; Lock
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                        <title>Re: High Security Chain / Lock advice</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2015 14:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[the sliding it into an inner tube takes a bit of time.
While looking for alternatives to big expensive chains I came across a thread where the guys were claiming that standing on 36&quot; bolt cu...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea:</p>
<p>    I bought 2m of 13mm lifting chain and slid it into an inner tube, seems to do the trick and cost about £40. </p>
<p>the sliding it into an inner tube takes a bit of time.<br />
While looking for alternatives to big expensive chains I came across a thread where the guys were claiming that standing on 36" bolt cutters could just about cut through 6mm grade 80 lifting chain. The chain is easy to get off ebay and in various lengths.
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                        <title>Re: High Security Chain / Lock advice</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2015 10:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[3m Pragmasis 13mm chain here, seems plenty strong enough. I think 19mm would be overkill and as mentioned above could do quite a bit of damage to a frame.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3m Pragmasis 13mm chain here, seems plenty strong enough. I think 19mm would be overkill and as mentioned above could do quite a bit of damage to a frame.
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                        <title>Re: High Security Chain / Lock advice</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2015 09:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve got &quot;uncutable&quot; chains securing my bikes. But the last time someone got in my shed they cut through the bike frames and pulled them of the chain. Totally fecked the bike obviously but t...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've got "uncutable" chains securing my bikes. But the last time someone got in my shed they cut through the bike frames and pulled them of the chain. Totally fecked the bike obviously but they'd still have loads of parts to sell  :(
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                        <title>Re: High Security Chain / Lock advice</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2015 09:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Great idea:]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea:</p>
<p>I bought 2m of 13mm lifting chain and slid it into an inner tube, seems to do the trick and cost about £40. 
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                        <title>Re: High Security Chain / Lock advice</title>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2015 15:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Thanks, that what I thought I&#039;d need to do]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OP, I just bought another padlock &amp; pushed the end link on one chain through another end link on the second chain, then locked a padlock on the end of the 1st chain thus locking the 2 chains together.</p>
<p>Thanks, that what I thought I'd need to do
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