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                        <title>Re: Filtering up the inside of stationary traffic - is it legal?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2013 16:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[(or without realising they&#039;re making other people late)]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(or without realising they're making other people late)
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                        <title>Re: Filtering up the inside of stationary traffic - is it legal?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Yep
Most anti cycle hatred boils down to simple jealousy.
Motorists see someone using a cheap, fast and healthy mode of transport and redirect their anger at the cyclist rather than all the ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep</p>
<p>Most anti cycle hatred boils down to simple jealousy.</p>
<p>Motorists see someone using a cheap, fast and healthy mode of transport and redirect their anger at the cyclist rather than all the other traffic which is actually making them late for work.
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                        <title>Re: Filtering up the inside of stationary traffic - is it legal?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2013 14:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I think this hits the nail square on the head.  
basically car drivers are NOT annoyed by cyclist par ce, they are actually annoyed that another human being has passed them, over taken them ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this hits the nail square on the head.  </p>
<p>basically car drivers are NOT annoyed by cyclist par ce, they are actually annoyed that another human being has passed them, over taken them and there's nowt they can do about it.  Self frustration.  Its the root of much car versus bike rage.  </p>
<p>Here in london village average car speed is 10mph and even a granny on a sit up and beg with wicker basket is quicker than this.
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                        <title>Re: Filtering up the inside of stationary traffic - is it legal?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2013 13:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Well the answer is usually staring them in the face.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I was just trying to point out that I expect most drivers feel the same way.</p>
<p>Well the answer is usually staring them in the face.
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                        <title>Re: Filtering up the inside of stationary traffic - is it legal?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2013 21:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I thought filtering (on the left or right, whichever is safer) through gridlocked roads was the main advantage of cycling.  Seems lunacy to wait in a que of cars on a bike...  no?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought filtering (on the left or right, whichever is safer) through gridlocked roads was the main advantage of cycling.  Seems lunacy to wait in a que of cars on a bike...  no?
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2013 21:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[The problem is, the designers have put lots of effort into thinking about how you can safely enter the junction, but very, very often you&#039;ll be exiting that junction into a complete clusterf...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at the road infrastructure e.g.cycle lanes, they're on the inside of the traffic, and bike boxes are at the front of where the stationary traffic sits.</p>
<p>Surely this suggests that cyclists are expected/encouraged to filter to the front, and past the stationary traffic don't you think?</p>
<p>The problem is, the designers have put lots of effort into thinking about how you can safely enter the junction, but very, very often you'll be exiting that junction into a complete clusterfnark, it doesn't matter if you have Jared Graves levels of "Snap", you're about to be overtaken, by a queue of vehicles with acceleration on their mind, and more likely than not the exit will be narrower than the ASL...
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2013 20:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Ae a cyclist to you get irritated when drivers fly by at 70mph and off into the distance?
Anyway. Don&#039;t be irritated by queues when driving. That&#039;s like going to the beach and being irritate...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ae a cyclist to you get irritated when drivers fly by at 70mph and off into the distance?</p>
<p>Anyway. Don't be irritated by queues when driving. That's like going to the beach and being irritated by sand.
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2013 20:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Having thought about it, the reason i find filtering irritating as a driver is almost certainly because I&#039;m stuck in a queue and can&#039;t do anything about it, while bikes obviously can. I neve...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having thought about it, the reason i find filtering irritating as a driver is almost certainly because I'm stuck in a queue and can't do anything about it, while bikes obviously can. I never claimed that it was right or justified, I was just trying to point out that I expect most drivers feel the same way.
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2013 13:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Davis v Schrogin (2006) is a motorbike case but I think it&#039;s still the current precedent for case law- basically, if a collision occurs that the filterer couldn&#039;t avoid, it&#039;s 100% the motori...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davis v Schrogin (2006) is a motorbike case but I think it's still the current precedent for case law- basically, if a collision occurs that the filterer couldn't avoid, it's 100% the motorist's fault, no blame split and no liability to the filterer.<br />
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 Nobeerinthefridge - Member</p>
<p>People do that all the time on my commute, see you coming behind, then they pull right over tight to the kerb. </p>
<p>At which point you do a jolly loop round them, not forgetting to wave.</p>
<p> johnhe - Member</p>
<p>I've never thought about why, but cyclists moving to the front of a stationary line of traffic is usually extremely irritating, and that's coming from a cyclist. Anyone who claims that they're unaware that this is the general feeling of drivers isn't trying to see the drivers point of view too much. </p>
<p>I take reasonable steps not to annoy drivers. But if they want to be unreasonably annoyed they will be, the only way to avoid annoying some people is to not exist. </p>
<p>I don't get annoyed by cyclists passing me, kind of bewildered why any cyclist would tbh.
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2013 13:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[[urlyou go ormondroyd]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here you go ormondroyd
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