UPDATED | Orange Bikes Calls In Administrators

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Update: statement from Orange 8th January, 1pm:

In response to current speculation regarding the position of Orange Bikes and the recently filed Notice of Intention to appoint Administrators:
 
Orange Bikes and its associated companies are currently working with Specialist Business Rescue Advisory firm J9 Advisory, with a view to restructuring the businesses in order to provide a viable platform to service our customers in the best way possible, safeguarding jobs and ensuring the continuation and strength of the Orange Bikes business moving forwards.
 
Further details will be released as soon as possible.

Original story below:

In a move that will sadden the brand’s many hardcore fans, we’re hearing from multiple sources that Orange Mountain Bikes has applied to appoint administrators.

Accounts show that even during the pandemic boom, they filed a pre-tax loss of nearly half a million pounds. Trading can only have got tougher since, and the ceasing of their factory race team – announced just before Christmas – was perhaps a hint that times were tight.

We understand that major stockists Leisure Lakes ceased to sell their bikes in 2023, which would surely be a major loss of sales, particularly to new customers who might not feel ready to buy direct from the Orange website. By our calculations, Orange currently offers 33 different models of bike, including children’s, drop bar, and electric options. Add in Orange’s various build options and almost infinite bespoke colours, that’s a fair amount of choice to make – and not a range that the average local bike shop is going to be able to hold.

Orange has been going since 1988, started by Steve Wade and Lester Noble. In those early days it was famous for its race team and bikes like the Clockwork. Later on, it pioneered folded and welded aluminium full suspension bikes. Shortly after, industry legend Michael Bonney joined and brought some marketing magic to its designs. In 2015 the company was sold to Ashley Ball – Steve Wade’s nephew, and long-time Orange Bikes collaborator (he owns the metalwork company that supplied Orange).

Now, Orange has applied to enter administration. Hopefully this isn’t an unhappy ending to the big plans, and the big changes that have been brought to fruition in recent years. Companies House notes that:

“When a company goes into administration, they have entered a legal process (under the Insolvency Act 1986) with the aim of achieving one of the statutory objectives of an administration. This may be to rescue a viable business that is insolvent due to cashflow problems.”

Perhaps then this will be a temporary situation to address cashflow problems? Fingers cross for a positive outcome.

We’ve reached out to Orange for comment, and wish all the employees the best at this difficult time.

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  • scotroutes
    Full Member

    Surely all those new gravel riders in the UK are potential XC customers.

    That’s a leap!

    As for the RX9, did anyone buy one who wasn’t already an Orange owner/fanboi? They don’t offer anything not available elsewhere (cheaper) and have nothing in common with what most people would recognise as the Orange brand.

    crazy-legs
    Full Member

    *Doesn’t include size options and wheel size options…I dread to think what the total SKU count is for just hardtail mountain bikes.

    I think there’s a relevant point being made about bike companies feeling the pressure to have a product in their line-up catering to every emerging niche.

    Yep, it’s a vast and confusing range that requires huge amounts of stock to service it all and yet the one niche they’re missing is gravel bikes!

    OK, there’s one, the X9. But even that sort of seems to be aimed at the Orange fanboy MTBer who would naturally look to the same manufacturer for a gravel bike.

    Canyon have half a dozen Grizl models, all at substantially lower prices and better spec than the one offering from Orange.

    Edit: cross posted with @scotroutes who makes basically the same point.

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    kelvin
    Full Member

    So… the wisdom of the forum is… fewer models but more models… focus on ebikes, but don’t offer so much choice of ebikes… look more modern, but bring back old colours and graphics… try and match the prices and marketing spend of the USA brands who are also struggling right now despite far cheaper Chinese manufacturing… less customisation and options like the big box UK seller, who had to bring in the administrators before them.

    BruceWee
    Free Member

    So… the wisdom of the forum is…

    Yes, exactly!
    Man, we should all get together and start our own bike company.

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    Houns
    Full Member

    BruceWee
    Free Member

    Looks like a reverse mullet to me.

    Good job, that should keep everyone happy!

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    chestrockwell
    Full Member

    As for the RX9, did anyone buy one who wasn’t already an Orange owner/fanboi? They don’t offer anything not available elsewhere (cheaper) and have nothing in common with what most people would recognise as the Orange brand.

    The RX9 might have become that as the last few versions look pretty dull and went insanely expensive (£2.2k for Apex, really?) to the point where even a fan like me couldn’t justify one but actually they were way ahead of the curve originally, just as they were with other trends. Who else was offering a gravel bike in 2014 (and every year since)? Remember the film of the original RX9 being chucked about?

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    big_scot_nanny
    Full Member

    fewer models but more models… focus on ebikes, but don’t offer so much choice of ebikes… look more modern, but bring back old colours and graphics…

    😆 good summary. Reminds me a lot of:

    https://youtu.be/5lKEMUcnhsY?si=k7BEsyw6DvRZzeVz

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    scotroutes
    Full Member

    Who else was offering a gravel bike in 2014

    Off the top of my head,
    Surly.
    Genesis.
    Kona.
    Van Nicholas.
    Santa Cruz
    Ibis.

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    nickc
    Full Member

    So… the wisdom of the forum is…

    That none of us has the first clue about how to run a bike company, let alone keep it going for 35 years?

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    crazy-legs
    Full Member

    Who else was offering a gravel bike in 2014

    My Specialized Crux (admittedly originally marketed as a CX) is from 2014. But it’s basically a gravel bike.

    That none of us has the first clue about how to run a bike company, let alone keep it going for 35 years?

    No but there’s some good nuggets of info and a few ideas in the previous 5 pages.

    chestrockwell
    Full Member

    Off the top of my head,

    Yep, all in early before GB’s blew up and everyone joined in. The point being they have been able to see which way the wind was blowing in the past, rather than jumping on an established band wagon to cash in, as was suggested.

    DaveyBoyWonder
    Free Member

    So… the wisdom of the forum is… fewer models but more models… focus on ebikes, but don’t offer so much choice of ebikes… look more modern, but bring back old colours and graphics… try and match the prices and marketing spend of the USA brands who are also struggling right now despite far cheaper Chinese manufacturing… less customisation and options like the big box UK seller, who had to bring in the administrators before them.

    Don’t think I said any of that 😀

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    IdleJon
    Free Member

    Who else was offering a gravel bike in 2014

    The RX9 was marketed as a cross bike that could do more, like plenty of other cross bikes around at the time at lower prices. (The Cannondale CAADX was similarly marketed, for example.)

    https://archive.orangebikes.co.uk/bike/2014/rx9/

    WHY THE RX9?
    The RX9 is the CX we’ve always wanted to build. Sure footed and fast. If you want ride options this bike will deliver the goods.

    BadlyWiredDog
    Full Member

    Man, we should all get together and start our own bike company.

    Yeah, like that thing when a bunch of people on the internet get together and run a non-league football club? Always ends well…

    Personally I wish Orange well and hope, for the sake of the people who work there in particular, that they find a way of continuing to trade without anyone being shafted in the process. That said, I’ve never really been drawn to them as a brand, to me they always felt a bit like one of those heritage British car brands – Lotus maybe – that you either feel is cool or not based more on their history than the current range. 

    I don’t doubt that the current bikes are good – most modern mountain bikes tend to be – but it feels like you’d really have to want an Orange because you’ve historically bought into the brand. I guess they’ll have their own research and stats on their customer base and I may be – probably am – wide of the mark, but that’s how it feels to me. I don’t know if that’s a flaw with how their marketing and whether Brexit, Covid etc has royally screwed things up for them or if it’s a balance of stuff, but if people aren’t attracted to the brand in the first place, then the breadth or otherwise of the range isn’t really the issue. But who knows.

    Also, judging from the gangs of elderly e-mtbers round here – Peak District – a fair few heritage customers are maybe looking at e-bikes rather than high-end conventional mountain bikes, which can’t really help. 

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    larrydavid
    Free Member

    Whyte had a range of what would be be called gravel bikes now in 2012 https://road.cc/content/review/60408-whyte-kings-cross

    People were using CX bikes as winter hacks, commuters, forestry road bashers for a long time, the market caught up and started designing bikes to suit.

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    scotroutes
    Full Member

    Whyte had a range of what would be be called gravel bikes now in 2012

    Yeah, but other than Whyte, Specialized, Surly, Genesis, Kona, Van Nicholas, Santa Cruz and Ibis, who else was way ahead of the curve by offering a gravel bike in 2014?

    FWIW I bought my Kona Sutra in 2007. 

    chestrockwell
    Full Member

    Fair enough, everyone was making gravel type bikes in 2014 and in no way did Orange get in early on a market that was about to explode.

    spokebob
    Free Member

    That none of us has the first clue about how to run a bike company, 

    I’m inclined to agree, but i’m going to … disagree…

    It’s just a business. Lots of people run businesses.

    I suspect many people on here have daydreamed about running a small bike company… but those daydreams have evaporated the moment they made it onto a spreadsheet. The numbers just don’t add up.

    Add up salaries, and workshop rental, and admin, and etc. and you’re quickly looking at running costs well over £200k.

    Making a couple of hundred quid profit per frame and we’d have to sell 1000 frames per year (Good luck with that – it’s a very crowded market).

    It seems very likely that we will see other uk bike companies running into the buffers before too long. My internal spreadsheet says that the companies which survive will be the ones run as a side-hustle.

    (where the person who owns/runs the company isn’t taking a full salary, but an amount based on an honest pro-rata value of the actual amount of time it takes to run the business)

    chakaping
    Full Member

    Well none of us can solve Orange’s woes without actually knowing why they were in the red for so long, anyway.

    larrydavid
    Free Member

    I’m a bit of a Whyte fan tbh but I’m going to chuck out that Whyte are a good example of a mid sized player in the UK market:

    UK focused design, well priced, sensible spec, forward looking, widely available through lbs and online, ‘likeable’ brand but not trying too hard to be aspiration

    I get the impression that Orange have been eaten from all angles. Not as boutique as SC, not as hi tech as spesh, too expensive V Whyte. Plus their core users have aged out.

    mashr
    Full Member

    Whyte are also a great example of changing your identity to make your brand far more palatable. Fair assumption that they sold many more T130s than PRST-1s

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    LAT
    Full Member

    So… the wisdom of the forum is… fewer models but more models… focus on ebikes, but don’t offer so much choice of ebikes… look more modern, but bring back old colours and graphics… try and match the prices and marketing spend of the USA brands who are also struggling right now despite far cheaper Chinese manufacturing… less customisation and options like thebig box UK seller, who had to bring in the administrators before them.

    that is the beauty of decision by committee!

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    ampthill
    Full Member

    Canyon have half a dozen Grizl models, all at substantially lower prices and better spec than the one offering from Orange.

    I’m not particularly picking on this one quote. But it’s an example of something I’m seeing in this thread and the who next thread. A dealer network isn’t something that most consumers on this forum value.

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    Gribs
    Full Member

    Not as boutique as SC

    Santa Cruz aren’t in any way other than their marketed image boutique. They’re mass produced in the Far East by a huge conglomerate.

    crazy-legs
    Full Member

    A dealer network isn’t something that most consumers on this forum value.

    It is and it isn’t.

    I think the days of walking into a bike shop and being able to get (eg) a new BB are long gone. There are hundreds of BB variants now so the chances of the shop having the exact parts are slim to none and shops can’t afford to be stocking everything because they have neither the space nor the cash.

    It’s even the same with a basic consumable like brake pads.

    I really value my LBS, they’re brilliant mechanics and I take most of my bikes to them for even fairly basic stuff now because they have all the tools, space and resources to do a good job. They can even service almost everything on my Canyon and I know that if I need a specific part, it’s one email or web order (and about 2 days) away so I don’t really *need* a dealer network.

    And even if Canyon had a dealer network, the same principle applies – it’s unlikely that a bricks and mortar shop could hold in stock every version of every specific part or bearing from every Canyon model.

    And that definitely applies to Orange who seem (to me and several other people on this thread) to have an excess of models and options and that requires a similar excess of parts, spares and accessories.

    slackboy
    Full Member

    we should all get together and start our own bike company.

    I think the name Sick! might be available.

    Yeah, but other than Whyte, Specialized, Surly, Genesis, Kona, Van Nicholas, Santa Cruz and Ibis, who else was way ahead of the curve by offering a gravel bike in 2014?

    Kinesis had the Tripster in 2012, I’ve still got the one that @somafunk convinced me to buy with that tripster thread of theirs.

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    scotroutes
    Full Member

    OK, but other than Whyte, Specialized, Surly, Genesis, Kona, Van Nicholas, Santa Cruz, Ibis and Kinesis, who else was way ahead of the curve by offering a gravel bike in 2014?

    Edit: and Marin

    didnthurt
    Full Member

    Doesn’t really surprise me, you hardly ever see folk riding an Orange where once they were commonplace. They’ve not really innovated and are expensive compared to the opposition. A real shame but I hope they can be saved.

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    orangemad
    Full Member

    There has been a lot of comparison between Orange and Canyon.  I like the “new bike day” feeling when very occasionally I get a new bike.  Last year I was lucky enough to get a new full suspension bike, my first one since 2010.   I travelled 80 miles each way to the shop, where I had had excellent service with (very) knowledgeable staff.  The shop are Orange stockists, however I came out with another brand, because I preferred it.  Equally I could have bought the Orange but didn’t.  Price wasn’t the only factor, it was more about the bike feeling!

    With my road bike, I also valued service and travelled a long way to find a suitable shop.  A friend bought a Canyon, same group set, similar price, however he subsequently changed cassette, chain and mech to get his preferred ratios.  In addition while the wheels were great quality they weren’t the ideal section for UK roads, so again we’re changed.  The Canyon ended up being considerably more expensive than my equivalent shop bought bike, where they could advice on what works for the individual.  Unfortunately because society wants Canyon more than a proper bike shop service, this service is dwindling.

    I have aP7 from 2017 ish, and it is great, I always wanted to pair it with a five or stage, but unfortunately that doesn’t look likely now.

    I hope the staff are looked after.

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    tomhoward
    Full Member

    Username doesn’t entirely check out

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    hightensionline
    Full Member

    , who else was way ahead of the curve by offering a gravel bike in 2014?

    Edit: and Marin

    There was another Yorkshire based company offering a do-it-all road/cross/gravel bike back then (and now), and they had until recently, possibly a more mental line-up… until administration and a buy-out last year. You know who it is, everyone loves them!

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    stevedoc
    Free Member

    Its hard to keep Pace of this thread.

    jameso
    Full Member

    OK, but other than Whyte, Specialized, Surly, Genesis, Kona, Van Nicholas, Santa Cruz, Ibis and Kinesis, who else was way ahead of the curve by offering a gravel bike in 2014?

    Edit: and Marin

    Even Pinnacle had a gravel bike in 2014.

    grimep
    Free Member

    Talking of the wide range of bikes – looking back at my copy of the 2000 price list, we had a choice of-
    Hardtails: Gringo (starting at £499.95 for rigid), P7 steel, EvO2, EvO2 limited ed, P7 pro, E4 pro, E4 XTR’a (£2099.95)
    Dirt/jump hardtails: AirO (£889.95), Msisle, Msisle Pro (£1449.95)
    Full sus: Patriot (£1399.95), Sub 5, MrXC, Sub5 pro, MrXC pro, Patriot Pro, MrO pro (£1999.95), Sub 5 Xtr’a, MrXC Xtr’a
    Long travel special editions: Patriot LT, Patriot Millenium, MrO DH (£3499.95)

    point being they had 7 different hardtails in various configs and 4 full sus bikes, so perhaps the slightly confusing lineup has been a thing in their DNA for a while. Prices really jumped from 2000 to 2001, the Sub 5 pro went from £1599 to £2100, not sure if that was down to parts rises or capitalising on the popularity of the bikes

    5lab
    Free Member

    my mrXC xtra (the first mrXC, and I think the first front-triangle-with-a-swingarm bike they ever sold) was £2799 from memory, in 1999, which was in line with other top-end bikes at the time (everything seemed to max out around £3k). Its still going strong as a kiddy carrier(!) Thats about £5200 today, which wouldn’t get you an equivilent model any more (the XT based 5 evo is about a grand more).

    I wonder if the “million models” thing is based on how they make them – they can probably pop out a batch of 3 or 4 frames at the same rate as a batch of 50 – so why not something to everyone if they’re built to order? The stage evo alone has 28 colour/size options, so there’s no way they’re keeping that lot in stock. It might even be that some parts (ie front triangle) are shared across multiple bikes and only things like the shock mounting on the rear swingarm changes

    slackboy
    Full Member

    Even Pinnacle had a gravel bike in 2014.

    Yeah, but the designer was a man of rare genius

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    Sandwich
    Full Member

    I suspect many people on here have daydreamed about running a small bike company…

    All I need to do is start with a large bike company!

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    jameso
    Full Member

    @slackboy, lol 

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    tazzymtb
    Full Member

    2014 gravel bikes, pfffft singular had the 29er drop bar gryphon in 2009, just goes to show again, its always the smaller niche boys that do the interesting stuff and the boring vanilla mainstream catch up eventually 😂

    See also, fat bikes, 29ers, 29+ etc….

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