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"you can ride this time but next time you'll need a lid....
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What's a flid?
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fit people and those of the correct weight sweat less as a general rule.
Lol. Bollox. Especially when you are using ephedrine or yohimbine etc.
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"I should know this really, but clubs under the BC are encouraged to produce a set of rules or a code of good practice for their members.
Riders pay membership to enjoy the benefits that a club can offer including insurance, and the BC do push the wearing of helmets."I don't ride in Britain (at the moment).
There are no subs.
My insurance is paid by me.Posted 8 months ago # -
That said the wearing of a helmet is just a given amongst roadies, just like wearing shoes for riding in
That's not always been the case though has it? Only really relatively recently in the history of competitive cycling has it been a "given".
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I don't ride in Britain (at the moment).
Where are you riding, at the moment?Posted 8 months ago # -
Helmets have been compulsory in NZ for as long as I can remember, and the constabulary are quite happy to pull u and ticket u for not wearing one. Whiles there's been many great debates on the merits or otherwise, it's now seen as the norm.
The upside is every kid grabs his helmet first, it's not seen as "spazzy" or otherwise, it's become the norm and I'm sure many spills have been lessened as a result, mine included.
Kids like to emulate, be it cycle helmets, rugby head gear (aka the proliferation of black covers with peace symbols following mr kronfields protest) or Steve Peat body armour.
I guess that's why clubs have their policy, set the example.
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The upside is every kid grabs his helmet first
The downside being (I read) that less are choosing to ride now.
Actually, forcing people to wear a helmet to nip down to the shops for instance is redicules. I accept the risk of falling in a chain gang might be higher and offroad probably higher still, but the risk riding to the shops at a sedate pace is insignificant. I can't see it being any higher than walking to the shops. This is a step too far.Posted 8 months ago # -
Where are you riding fourbanger? The reason for the questionis that wearing a lid is a legal requirement in Spain, it won't be the club telling you, it'll be the Guardia Civil. And clearly will have an effect on the question.
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Sorry don simon, didn't answer you. I'm in the middle east. Think loons in 4x4's careering past at 200Km/h whilst I'm sweating my body weight on the hardshoulder of the 8 lane highway, which is really the only place to ride. No legislation relating to helmet use exists here. If I get hit, chances are the verdict will be I shouldn't have been (in the country) here.
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If I get hit, chances are the verdict will be I shouldn't have been (in the country) here.
I think that can be taken for granted.
Is it too much to ask to wear a helmet so that you can participate in something you enjoy?
Doesn't seem like too high a price to pay.
Heat wise, I tried both with or without the helmet and found the shade offered by the helmet was much more comfortable than having the sun direct on my head, only 40ºC there mind.Posted 8 months ago # -
The downside being (I read) that less are choosing to ride now.
My Mrs is a casual cyclist, she cycles mainly on forest trails with the dog and her health benefits from it. Rightly or wrongly, if she was forced to wear a helmet I doubt she would ever get on the bike again.
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Twice a helmet has saved me from serious head injuries. Once on my commute onto tarmac which left me with a very sore neck for weeks but saved me.
First time I had no idea who the Prime minister was/is when asked. I remember getting very frustrated as I knew the answer and throwing up. If I wasn't wearing it then I imagine itd been very serious.
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At the end of the day OP its your life however its unfair to expect your GF and/or Mother to take you to the toilet and bathe you for life huh
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don simon, you have to believe me when I say that no one on this earth has quite as much of an interest in keeping me alive as I do!
As I said, I'm taking a fairly high risk by riding on the road and I think anyone that does serious road miles does the same. If I have an accident it'll be me being splatted by a landcruiser or I'll be a stain under the wheels of an artic. A helmet simply won't offer protection from by far the most likely cause of my untimely dimise.
If I wanted to mitigate the risk of my death on the road, the only real way to do that would be to not be on the road. Taking such a massive risk by being there in the first place and trying to reduce it by wearing a helmet just isn't logical to me. It's reducing the overal risk by such a tiny amount that it ends up being some kind of lucky charm.
OK, to ride with a group I can compromise my beliefs. I guess it just depends how badly I want to ride with a group. I just can't imagine asking someone to compromise their thought-out belief in order to participate, when it will have no direct effect on anyone else.
Anyway, does anyone know of any cheap road lids on offer? Mine has a peak and that would never do.
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OK, to ride with a group I can compromise my beliefs. I guess it just depends how badly I want to ride with a group. I just can't imagine asking someone to compromise their thought-out belief in order to participate, when it will have no direct effect on anyone else.
so your rights are everything and theirs are nothing ?
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mightymarmite - Member
Helmets have been compulsory in NZ for as long as I can remember, and the constabulary are quite happy to pull u and ticket u for not wearing one. Whiles there's been many great debates on the merits or otherwise, it's now seen as the norm.
The upside is every kid grabs his helmet first, it's not seen as "spazzy" or otherwise, it's become the norm and I'm sure many spills have been lessened as a result, mine included.
Unfortunatly the research show no significant reduction in head injuries, massive reduction in people cycling and hundreds of extra deaths as a result of people stopping cycling
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How do you infer that? (klunk)
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Thats what the research says - the CTC estimate 200 extra people would die each year if helmets were compulsoy in the UK 10 deaths from head injuries saved, an extra 200+ deaths fro diseases of inactivity
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That was aimed at klunk.
TJ, I've warned you before about bringing tangible evidence to the thread in the face of such overwhelming anecdote.Posted 8 months ago # -
Sorry.
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Thats what the research says - the CTC estimate 200 extra people would die each year if helmets were compulsoy in the UK 10 deaths from head injuries saved, an extra 200+ deaths fro diseases of inactivity
I'll always wear a helmet and will always recommend people to wear one but if they say No that's their choice.
I completely agree with the study above and would be against compulsory wearing of helmets for adults (kids is different IMHO but not really looking it fully)
The £90 tesco bike crew would rather walk than wear a helmet for example.
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My dad has started leading some mtb rides, and hasn't quite decided whether he should make people wear helmets. I've told him he should. I would not want to have to deal with someone who has glanced their head off a rock or tree and has a massive head injury because they couldn't be bothered with a helmet. Exactly the same applies to road.
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Except the risk of slipping and banging your head on the road is tiny compared to being taken out by a motorised vehicle where a helmet will have negligible effectiveness. The activities aren't the same, the risks aren't the same. The two aren't comparable.
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How do you infer that? (klunk)
fourbanger, you refuse to except it's their right not to ride with you if you're not wearing a lid.
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Klunk, no I don't, but I do question the mentality and thinking behind it.
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you've been bitching about it for 6 pages, get over yourself.
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JHC ... I was reading this during breakfast yesterday and thought
its your choice not to wear a lid, but their choice not to ride with you if you're not wearing one.
just about sums it up.simple
they have just as much right to make that choice as you do yours.
... nope, the whittering continues ...
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I have to ask, those that don't wear helmets do you insist your kids don't wear helmets also?
Just read some of the things certain club riders are responsible for. Under my duty of care I'd want youth riders to wear lids, and I'd be pretty pissed off if senior riders didn't lead by that example.
You can fire off your arguments, BTW how many times have you severely hit your unhelmetsed head? I'll just say that when 'that' time comes you'll be glad you had a lid on.
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As I said, I'm taking a fairly high risk by riding on the road and I think anyone that does serious road miles does the same. If I have an accident it'll be me being splatted by a landcruiser or I'll be a stain under the wheels of an artic. A helmet simply won't offer protection from by far the most likely cause of my untimely dimise.
My sincere apologies, I hadn't realised (really I hadn't) that this was a debate about the safety issues of a helmet. Your opening line of
First and foremost I DO NOT want another helmet debate as it's getting dull.
must have confused me.Posted 8 months ago # -
I have to ask, those that don't wear helmets do you insist your kids don't wear helmets also?
No of course not.BTW how many times have you severely hit your unhelmetsed head?
unhelmetsed? WTF? at a guess I'd say a few less times than you.
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unhelmetsed
Obviously they didn't do the job 100%
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Except the risk of slipping and banging your head on the road is tiny compared to being taken out by a motorised vehicle where a helmet will have negligible effectiveness. The activities aren't the same, the risks aren't the same. The two aren't comparable.
This is just silly. I'm calling troll, and I'm out.
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I have to ask, those that don't wear helmets do you insist your kids don't wear helmets also?
Don't have kids but if I did I would probably both wear a helmet for all riding, and insist they did the same..
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oldgit - Member
I have to ask, those that don't wear helmets do you insist your kids don't wear helmets also?Just read some of the things certain club riders are responsible for.
Not got kids so if i had would I?, don't know maybe because their bike handling skills and roadcraft may not be as advanced, maybe not because nobody wore helmets when I was a kid and I don't know anyone who ended up in a wheelchair as a result. and whatever my desicion the fact that I choose not wear a helmet on the road would not change if I decided they had to
I lead runs in a road club, I organise mtb runs for the same club and at work, I organise the club tt series - my only liability is ensuring the tt's meet the agreed risk assesments. I am not repsonsible for people on club runs, it's their choice to ride along with me there's no payment, contract or agreement that I'll nanny them along.
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