theflatboy - Member
you're obviously not old enough to remember victorian times when there were loads of them.............
in fact, one of the things that sprang to mind when thinking about moses' ridiculous comment was the fitting sherlock holmes short story, the man with the twisted lip.
A 'ridiculous comment' eh ? ......... and yet, factually correct.
Obviously I'm also 'not old enough to remember Victorian times'.
I am however, old enough however to remember Thatcher saying that she wanted to return to 'Victorian times'. Or Victorian values as she called it.
Now we all know of course that the Victorian era was characterised by the fact that on the one hand, Britain was a fabulously wealthy and powerful country, whilst on the other, the ordinary British working-classes were completely powerless and lived in staggering levels of grinding poverty and destitution. Which as you quite rightly point out, was often highlighted in the Sherlock Holmes novels. As indeed it was in the novels by Charles Dickens.
So hardly surprising then, that Thatcher should be inspired by 'Victorian values'. After all, she had a damn good go at making the rich more powerful and wealthy at the expense of the working-classes, which she made more powerless and economically weaker.
I'm talking bullshit, I hear you say. OK, take it from the Margaret Thatcher Foundation then. This is from the interview which Thatcher gave to Brian Walden, live on London Weekend Television.
Brian Walden :
"All right, now you know, when you say you agree with those values, those values don't so much have a future resonance, there's nothing terribly new about them. They have a resonance of our past. Now obviously Britain is a very different country from the one it was in Victorian times when there was great poverty, great wealth, etc., but you've really outlined an approval of what I would call Victorian values. The sort of values, if you like, that helped to build the country throughout the 19th Century. Now is that right?"
Margaret Thatcher :
"Oh exactly. Very much so. Those were the values when our country became great, but not only did our country become great internationally, also so much advance was made in this country. Colossal advance, as people prospered themselves so they gave great voluntary things to the State. So many of the schools we replace now were voluntary schools, so many of the hospitals we replace were hospitals given by this great benefaction feeling that we have in Britain, even some of the prisons, the Town Halls."
1983 Jan 16 Margaret Thatcher TV Interview for London Weekend Television Weekend World ("Victorian Values")
Note how Thatcher completely fails to mention the appalling levels of poverty which were a reality for the overwhelming majority of British people. And of course the majority of people despite the fact that they produced the nation's wealth, were powerless and were dependant (as she points out) on acts of kindness from the super-rich.
That is the vision of Britain which Thatcher had. Ordinary people would become dependant on benevolence from the super-rich ! Unbelievable ..... the super-rich moan and whinge endlessly about paying their fair share of taxes......for fux sake.
The Victorians had no 'values'. And conditions only started to change when the working-classes realised that they had power.
Sorry shatter your rose-tinted view on Thatcher flatboy.
Or maybe you find the thought of a society riddled with poverty and inequality really rather appealing ?