Funny, isn't it...
Seems to me that almost all the "hate" is coming from those out of London, while there's far more tolerance from those in London.
Of course, that can't be right, as everyone knows London is full of hateful people, isn't it?
Oh, and Peterborough smells. FACT.
Newport is a sh*thole, i live 6 miles from IT.
how the hell it got city status is a total mystery, in its hayday it was a nice place but im talking yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeears ago.
its stuck between a rock and a hard place as they havent really got the cash to pump into it, nobody goes there and Cwmbran a town near it has stolen all the customers from the shops.
they messed up few years ago when they stopped the damming of the river, this would have helped a bit.
i would put a big vote in for blackpool aswell, sadly i ended up there on a stag party 4 years ago... i was actually looking forward to it until we got off the bus, another place that will never get back the glory days... sad i guess.
Newport is indeed a dump. The post industrial economy and the war were not kind to it.
Well, placing New York, a city with a history only going back a couple of hundred years, above London is just a bit daft when it comes to architecture. London has far greater depth and diversity, any expert will tell you that.
Unusually for you, you seem to have missed the point there.
You quoted a list when comparing London to Edinburgh, then rubbished the list for disagreeing with you about Noo Yoik. Does it only have value when it agrees with your fairly narrow view of the world (if it's not London it's rubbish?). Like does architecture only have merit when it's hundreds of years old? Lloyd Wright, le Corbusier, Gehry, Rennie Macintosh have no place in your world?
Well, placing New York, a city with a history only going back a couple of hundred years, above London is just a bit daft when it comes to architecture
Why? Does good architecture have to be old?
I've never been to New York, but I have been to Chicago. To be honest I wasn't at all fussed to go there but driving or walking down a street full of skyscrapers is quite frankly staggering - one of the sights of the man-made world imo.
Does it only have value when it agrees with your fairly narrow view of the world (if it's not London it's rubbish?). Like does architecture only have merit when it's hundreds of years old? Lloyd Wright, le Corbusier, Gehry, Rennie Macintosh have no place in your world?
No, you're missing my point; London has a far greater depth of architectural history than New York, so to place NY above London on such terms is daft. London has far greater variety and diversity of styles, throughout the city, whereas most of NY's outstanding architecture is concentrated in or near Manhattan. And yes, I have bin there.
I appreciate the work of those architects you've mentioned. They do fit into a relatively narrow historical period mind.
Whereas with London:
The Romans, the Anglo-Saxons, The Normans, The Tudors, Christopher Wren, Nicholas Hawksmore, The Victorians, The Brunels, John Nash, Pugin, The Gilbert Scotts, Charles Holden, Denys Lasdun, Norman Foster, Richard Rogers, Zaha Hadid and even our very own aP off here, to name just a few, if yer really wanna start name-dropping....
How many Roman or Anglo Saxon buildings in London Elf?
Why? Does good architecture have to be old?
Not at all. See above.
London's a greater city, architecturally. It's as simple as that. No contest.
New Yorkers have said this to me.
How many Roman or Anglo Saxon buildings in London Elf?
Granted, not a lot left, but the foundations of a number of buildings date back to those times, and some parts of original structures exist in some buildings. Point is, those civilisations have had a part in the formation of London, whereas New York is relatively much younger.
But you know this, which is why you're trying to split hairs...
London's agreatermore diverse city, architecturally
FTFY
Is diversity linked to greatness? What about places like Granada?
Point is, those civilisations have had a part in the formation of London
Yes, and this is one of the most overwhelmingly amazing things about London IMO. I can walk around the place and be in ten different ages at once.. quite amazing. However in other cities their history is writ just as large across the map.. Even American ones. It's a shorter period and it's not necessarily as obvious but it's still there. Sometimes you have to think like a historian rather than an architect tho.
Is diversity linked to greatness?
That's one of those questions which is inextricably linked to quasi-biological theories and one's political beliefs.
I was talking about architecture, but feel free to expand the context of the thread if you like 
Granted, not a lot left, but the foundations of a number of buildings date back to those times, and some parts of original structures exist in some buildings. Point is, those civilisations have had a part in the formation of London, whereas New York is relatively much younger.
.and how does Venice fit into this? It has virtually no diversity, being pretty much all high renaissance with some Byzantine influence, yet is generally seen as one of the architectural wonders of the world?
EDIT - the railway station doesn't count.
I was talking about architecture, but feel free to expand the context of the thread if you like
But architecture is a manifestation of culture, and one's architectural preferences are really a question about how one would like to reorder the world to fit one's own worldview, so it's all the same...
This list could go on forever!
Cities, Liverpoool, Manchester & Hull.
Towns:
Swansea (it isn't a city is it?)
I can't even think of a city I could call 'worst most hated most vile uk city'.
I obviously need to get out a bit more.
And to name London is IMO crazy....
People have mentioned Peterborough quite a few times. I live near Peterborough and while it's not a great place, it's not too bad. When I first moved near the area I wasn't convinced & I always used to think of it as just a name on the A1.
But, there's a very fancy cathedral, a half decent shopping centre, the river Nene, Nene Valley Railway, Ferry Meadows country park, Peterborough Lido, an ice skating rink with a decent ice hockey team.....etc.
It's not a very picturesque place (apart from the cathedral!), but it isn't bad*.
*as with most places, there are some right crappy areas, granted.
Well I made my trip to Newport yesterday to try to win some work. Didn't seem that bad though was taken straight from the rail station to a rather bland building to the east of the town where A449 meets the M4. If we do win the project I'm hoping I can stay in a hotel near the office and never go into the town - should be some nice country lanes to ride on nearby.
So Newport is better than London then as I can ride in the countryside easier right?
Konabunny.. you're being silly now
For a very long time Preston was the absolute dunghole for me, until I went to Peterborough, dear jesus! I nominate both.
hilldodger - MemberDear beloved leader, could you please find time to enlighten us poor bright-light bedazzled citizens what is missing from our City ?
A mountain with a chairlift up it.
Think you guys are jumping on TJ for no reason- everywhere has its own highlights, I love London but all he's saying is that you can't say "Town X has everything I want" unless you've tried everything there is to try- and no one place in the world has everything. I love the underground, frinstance, don't know why that is but I'd never have known til I used it, and I miss it when I'm not there. Glasgow clockwork orange isn't the same and the closest Edinburgh has is the Subway nightclub 
(smells the same, just as crowded)
missingfrontallobe - MemberThis list could go on forever!
Cities, Liverpoool, Manchester & Hull.
Towns:
Swansea (it isn't a city is it?)
Excellent!
Someone slags off Liverpool, so Mr Overshoot very successfully nullifies their onion by providing examples of it's greatness. Nice one. I like that, good work Mr O! 
There is a threat Binners and I will be visiting Liverpool sometime in the not too distant future....
I would rather go to Newport than Cwmbran
Northwind - Member
Think you guys are jumping on TJ for no reason
Not jumping, just asking him to elaborate on his statement that London was missing something (vagaries of geology notwithstanding)
He bowls into a thread, drops his little 'hate bombs' then doesn't come back to answer perfectly reasonable questions.
No doubt he'll reappear quoting 'piffle and bullshine', making snidey comments about fellow posters intelligence and being generally provocative.
Anyway, back to reality ignoring the insults it's been a good thread, interesting to hear what other people think constitute a 'great city' with some fine photos of places that I for one haven't seen in person.
Let's face it, some people enjoy the hustle bustle of city life, others prefer rural tranquility - we're lucky to live in a country that can offer so much variety and allows people to experience many different lifestyles......
Wow I saw the thread title and thought I wonder if Newport gets a mention, looks like it's championship contender mmaterial. It is a dump but it's not really a bad place to live, there are more pubs per square mile than anywhere else in the UK and it's also home of the shell-suit, but there's shed loads of good riding nearby.
I would rather go to Newport than Cwmbran
You mean Cwmbranistan?
hilldodger - MemberNot jumping, just asking him to elaborate on his statement that London was missing something (vagaries of geology notwithstanding)
Pff. You call it a "hate bomb" when he says your city doesn't have everything a city can possibly have? I call it common sense.
CaptainFlashheart - MemberOh, and Peterborough smells. FACT.
Peterborough used to smell of Sugar Beet and dog food, it now just smells of dog food as they knocked the beet factory down.
There are some good points to Pbog... It's on the A1, it's on the A14, it's on the East Coast main line, it's 50 mins from Kings Cross and 1 hour from Luton, East Mids and Stansted airports.
You see, the best thing about Pbog is you can escape really, really easily
London - find it really unfriendly
Stoke and Swindon - on a parr
but BLACKPOOL - ugh! Went to take the kids to see the lights once - had to bribe them with sweets etc so we could go home early before it got dark 
there are more pubs per square mile than anywhere else in the UK
There are fewer pubs per square mile that I would actually be prepared to step foot inside than anywhere else in the UK tho
Yes it has decent riding, but it's just as accessible from Cardiff near enough, which is a much nicer place
Yep Liverpool is shite
I notice that when illustrating the delights of Liverpool you didn't include any people! 
There is a threat Binners and I will be visiting Liverpool sometime in the not too distant future....
Any dates in mind Fred ?
Nice pics Mr O
Liverpool - capital of culture :lol:
Oh man, yeah, forgot about Swansea and Liverpool, that's the two worst places right there. Had a few nights out in Swansea, each time there seemed to be some kind of charity fight-athon, with hordes of bleach-blond, spiked-hair yoots laying into each other.
Still nicer than Liverpool, mind.
I find it strange some of the suggestions people are coming up with. I enjoy visiting Liverpool, the architecture is interesting, the galleries are really good, there is a great concert hall, some nice cafes and restaurants. The new shopping centre is ok if you like that sort of thing. I couldn't live there and there are areas which are beyond horrible but that's true of most cities, Liverpool more than some perhaps.
Preston is another one mentioned and I find this very strange. The river ribble is lovely as is the whole ribble valley. The forest of Bowland is one of the most beautiful places in the country. I guess it all depends on what you want, as I wouldn't go for a night out drinking there.
The worst thing about London is, and people are forgetting this, is that it is full of cockney w***ers.
Just saying like.
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