you know as well sa i do and most on here.
these protesters are the same ones that protest at
gm crop fields
poll tax rallies
or just about any protest going.
most are ex university students
usually over qualified to get a proper job, they feel they are worth a better carry on than most.
**** all common sense is the norm.
and with far too much time on their hands.
Will it kick off big time in Londn tomorrow?
think there were prehaps more cameras up town today than 'protesters'.
all a bit of a joke really (as shown by chessy's pics).....
Ton, those that I saw predominantly looked like students
ex or present university students than...............
alpin - Member
doesn't need an comma after the 'off' or the 'and'.
Bollox. I'll never get me head round this 'Written English' malarkey
Thought I'd cracked it and all ............. next step, "learn to talk proper", I'd said to me self
I was there today.Only wanted to go for a bit but suddenly I was trapped.The police wouldn't let anybody leave for hours.
I first witnessed that police tactic in the run up to the Iraq war. It's extremely effective as it seriously screws up demos. Almost certainly illegal though, as you are effectively being detained by the police - with no good cause.
Police say there were 5,000 protesters. Lets double it to be nice.
£7.5m of policing costs, lets say half of that is for the Excel arena.
3.75m/10,000 = £375 per swampy.
They should have offered them each £200 and as much organic tofu as they can eat to stay at home at their parents and we would have still saved a bundle!
trailmonkey - Member
A great day for t055ers of all persuasions I'd say. Yob riot police get to crack a few heads. Crusty feckwits get to shout a lot without contributing anything worthwhile to anyone. Anarchists get really dangerous and smash some glass. Bankers keep on doing what they do best, as nothing has the power or inclination to stop them. The press get served up paydirt. The great and good have a bit of a chin wag over a luxury buffet. Internet experts have a blue ribband thread to argue over all day
And I'm sure RBS's insurers will be having some interesting discussions about whether they took reasonable precautions to protect their premises. Lots of other places were boarded up: tailors, motor dealers, some near, some further away. AIG took their signs down outside their building. The company was an obvious target, not to mention that branch was right in the planned demo area, and no protection at all. I think (hope) the staff had been sent home. And where were the police? Watch the BBC footage and there's couple of rioters, about 100 journalists/photographers and no police at all.
Given that the government have a controlling share, were they in a position to encourage the building's sacrificial use for some juicy pictures to turn opinion against the protesters?
Ton you are absolutely right! No one has a problem with peaceful protestors especially as we all feel strongly about something but those few minority idiots that like to riot and cause havoc for all the law abiding citizens causes the police to have to react in the way they do penning EVERYONE in.
How much would policing costs have been if there had been no protestors stoner ?
Unusual for you to be slack with figures innit ? Specially ones concerning money.
Munqe-chick - Member
Ton you are absolutely right! ..........those few minority idiots that like to riot
So how is he right ? He wants them all shot.
gus, i was kidding, did you not see and mate.
No ton, I didn't - I've always assumed that everyone on here says what they think.
Never occured to me that some might be taking the p1ss
but those few minority idiots that like to riot and cause havoc for all the law abiding citizens causes the police to have to react in the way they do penning EVERYONE in.
Wrong. The police began penning people in, before the trouble started. It was clearly show, on the BBC live stream. I've seen this tactic used plenty of times; as Gus points out, it is very effective in screwing up a demo, as the resulting violence will grab the media attention, and detract form the actual reasons for the demo.
Notice how the police 'squeezed' the contained groups at certain intervals, then fell back and let people leave? Deliberate. Designed to get a reaction, and once they'd got a reaction, and the TV crews etc had got their pictures, then they stepped back.
Rudeboy is quite correct. Its a tactic known as the kettle. People are penned into a space and denied water and the use of toilet facilities - there are a number of legal challenges ongoing against this tactic. From first hand accounts from yesterday the police used this tactic very agressively. For them it works on 2 levels - firstly it discourages those on a peaceful protest from continuing and secondly it aggrevates those who are prepared to use direct action. There were a numbers of scenes yesterday where people desperate to break through police lines to leave the protest were denied access and arrested when they tried to run.
some good information here on today's events: http://london.indymedia.org.uk/articles/992
But since public toilets are provided by the man, then they surely wouldn't want to use them anyway?
your humour excels
well the circus is over
the g20 leaders have saved the day
the protestors can go home satisfied that a window got broken
the suits got a mufti day
the journos got some frontline action
the police got to stomp some crusties
cfh had a whole potted calf for lunch
and most importantly stwers got to proclaim their wildly unsubstansiated opinions on .....
the parental income and personal hygiene of youre average protestor
police crowd control tactics
the casual dress sense of bankers
it is very effective in screwing up a demo
The kettle is indeed a very effective tactic, and the police can go home feeling 'job well done'.
Only .... in the long term it is extremely counterproductive. I have seen 'the kettle' become a real reality check for some people. Suddenly people who have never been in trouble with the police, often respectable middle-class, middle-aged people who wouldn't even risk getting a parking ticket, find that they are been held against their will, unable to even get a drink or go to the toilet. When they eventually leave they have a completely different attitude towards the police.
And Munqe-chick you might well think that it's absolutely fine to punish everybody because according to you there's a "few minority idiots that like to riot", but I don't believe that this is a principle which is generally recognised under British law - you don't punish a whole group of people with the intention of including the guilty ones.
It also doesn't help my cause when I try to tell some idiot "yes I know, but only 'a tiny minority' of coppers are ****, most are alright - you can't throw that brick hoping that it will hit one of the horrible ****"
It just gives fuel to the morons. And fails to distinguish the guilty from the innocent.
The kettle is one of the most longterm counterproductive tactics used be the police. I have been at the scene of countless 'disturbances', specially at Wapping. I have seen bricks, scaffold tubes, the lot, thrown at the police (usually in response to police charges) of which I totally disapprove, and I have also witnessed indiscriminate police violence. But I have always believed that even though I was in the thick of it, not breaking the law was essential - I have never been arrested.
However after recent experiences where even though I have fully cooperated with police requests, I have been held for hours against my will and denied basic rights, despite having broken no laws and been on a perfectly legal demo, I can't be completely sure that I wouldn't support attempts to break through police lines - something which I have never considered before. Sod not being allowed to go home, and being treated like a criminal
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