I’ve said that power outputs up to 400W up final Col climbs for 70kg riders are not suspicious

So ~450 for Indurain up a final col (your figures) shouldn’t be either seeing as he was at least 80kgs. Now in the light of all that’s happened, I’m not sure as to Indurain’s life on bread and water. So either the figures are wrong and he was a doper, or he was clean and used to blitz all the other dopers despite being (in your words) the wrong shape. Which one is it?

boardman holds [ held technically] two hour records* not just the superman one
Do you do this mis interpretration deliberatedly – perhaps he had miles more watts for th eothers or only just beat it in this position to not raise suspicion and he eased off ?

This was a rational way for the UCI to handle the diverging goals of the record setters. It has been calculated (bikecult.com) that Eddy Merckx required a sustained effort of 485 watts while Francesco Moser’s effort on a modern time-trial bike with disc wheels that took him over a kilometer further needed only(!) 446 watts

http://bikeraceinfo.com/records/wrldhour.html

Obvioulsy Mercyx was off his head on PEDS then as this level is impossible etc . interstingly it is more tham Marting and Wiggins so do we add him to the list of cheats or revaluate your wattage claims? I think I can guess

* hour record and best human effort

Those posting power figures for Wiggo compare for yourselves and make your own judgements.

Make your own judgement as I suggested, LS. You seem to be missing the point of that list, nobody made more than 400W up final climbs before 1990 whatever their size or weight.

Yes I think the 481W for Martin is suspicious, Aracer. Boardman had a significantly lower power:weight ratio using your own figures so less suspicious. There’s something I can see with my own eyes about Boardman’s performance, an aero advantage I can’t quantify that makes it impossible to compare his performance with any other rider before or after except Obree. I don’t know.

I see the point clearly – my argument (and my judgement) is that the figures can’t be relied on. In my opinion if you’re going to start accusing people according to data, then that data has to be watertight. It isn’t, for the reasons I’ve been over above.

We know there were dopers, we know there still are now. That’s it.

nobody made more than 400W up final climbs before 1990 whatever their size or weight.

That was almost quarter of a century ago…

You sound just like Armstrong’s defence lawyer, LS. However, on this:

We know there were dopers, we know there still are now. That’s it.

I agree.

You sound just like Armstrong’s defence lawyer, LS

I’ve never been so insulted 😀

nobody made more than 400W up final climbs before 1990 whatever their size or weight.

and the figures NOW show they are not now so what is your point?

Boardman had a significantly lower power:weight ratio using your own figures so less suspicious.

no it is higher as he weighs less by 5 kg – aracer perhaps you best say that as he seems to be unable to respond to my comments – I guess we could add cannot count to cannot read 😉

Boardman power/weight = 6.6 watts /kg
Martin = 6.41

Well i dont expect this will stop you either from continuing your claim 🙄

It might be worth noting at this point that you need to be very careful with weight figures. We all know that this was one of the things that Armstrong used to lie about to make him look more credible.

Ooops, is that the time?! Bye for now. Good game, a doping thread and the tone didn’t rise beyond “asshat”.

Edit; though I’m surprised Junkyard can see the computer screen he spends so much time rolling his eyes.

By TJ rules, Edukator, you lose! 🙂

Ooops, is that the time?! Bye for now

Is that the French defence (does anybody have a more accurate location for Edu?)

I agree with JY’s figures – Martin’s “highly suspicious” ride is at a lower power/weight than Boardman’s hour.

There’s something I can see with my own eyes about Boardman’s performance, an aero advantage I can’t quantify that makes it impossible to compare his performance with any other rider before or after except Obree.

Yet we have a power figure for Boardman’s ride, let me see now, was it 462W? The aero advantage is irrelevant as we’re not arguing about how fast he went. Or are you just waffling now your figures have been proved to be flawed?

French by residence defence, I think 😉

By nationality too.

Ah, I thought it was just your wife… my mistake 🙂

(fellow French national, well, dualy at least)

By nationality too.

ahh… all is now explained. 🙂

Loads of data here for anyone’s that’s interested…

Hmm, that data only looks at specific performances as far as I can tell, rather than the sustained tour-long performance we were talking about earlier.

It’d be interesting to look at frequency of serious attacks on climbs from each rider, or their success rate perhaps.

seems like the decision has been made. I wonder whether Brad has been demoted partly because of his rather abrasive relationship with the media in last years race ?

Or maybe just because it’s unlikely someone can peak for the Giro and then peak for the Tour these days. Not impossible but if you have two genuine GC candidates, makes sense to use them.

Bit mean of the Beeb, to photoshop both hairdos in that photo.

I wonder whether Brad has been demoted partly because of his rather abrasive relationship with the media in last years race.

I would be astonished if that was the case.

I wonder whether Brad has been demoted partly because of his rather abrasive relationship with the media in last years race.
I would be astonished if that was the case.

Me too, he’s managed to get knighted, sports personality of the year, etc. etc. The odd getting drunk or off-script moment doesn’t really detract much from his image. (If he’d failed to win, of course, it would be a different matter…)

I thought he was loved even more by the French media than the British, no?