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Who will you vote for at the next election? (TIRADE)

161 posts & 59 voices | Started 2 years ago by mavisto | Latest reply from BigDummy

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crispy - Member

Hi all

Read some of the above, but the arguments to seem to go round in circles a bit.

I'm not totally informed about British politics, so I may be totally off the mark here, but why does the UK persist with the First-past-the-Post system? It seems to me that that biggest problem here is that if there is no chance of a party getting in, then people won't vote for them, even if they represent a better choice for the individual involved. Instead, people end up having to make a compromised choice between the two large parties of Who Is Least Bad For Me?

Why isn't there some sort of referendum to get a Mixed-Member-Proportional representation system in place? It's not perfect, especially when you get minor parties attempting to wag the dog, but genuinely gets a better mix of politics and parties involved, which means that the bigger parties end up having to compromise a bit more.

Or is it all about History and Tradition and all that?

Genuinely curious.

Ta.

Posted 2 years ago #
grumm - Member

Because neither of the two main parties will ever propose it when they currently have a stranglehold on government.

Posted 2 years ago #
backhander - Member

Trouble is, proper politicians would have to work with idiots from the likes of the BNP and the communi..err, libdems.

Posted 2 years ago #
miketually - Member

I'm not totally informed about British politics, so I may be totally off the mark here, but why does the UK persist with the First-past-the-Post system? It seems to me that that biggest problem here is that if there is no chance of a party getting in, then people won't vote for them, even if they represent a better choice for the individual involved. Instead, people end up having to make a compromised choice between the two large parties of Who Is Least Bad For Me?

There is some benefit to voting for a party that won't win. The Greens did very well on the share of the vote in previous elections, which has made the major parties start to make themselves (look) greener.

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

Don't mention it Ernest. Like I said, you might learn something.

Thanks, you are very kind. Although I should point out that, whilst I might find any correction of my english 'interesting', I am hugely comfortable with my own ability to express myself, and not in anyway concerned about grammatical faults. Having said that, it's always interesting in knowing how it 'should of been' said.

Indeed in my real life my english is full of grammatical mistakes, I am btw, particularly keen on double negatives - I just can't seem to get enough of them. However for the purposes of clarity, I tend to make a vague effort on here, although I am not unduly worried as I'm sure most have a loose understanding of what I'm waffling on about.

And btw, when I say 'poorly educated' I mean it as opposed to 'highly educated'. My education was indeed excellent, as I had the good fortune of being educated in an ILEA comprehensive. It was simply to a fairly elementary level.

Anyways, enough about your post concerning my grammar, let's get back on topic. You say that you will be voting for "Dave" because you detest poor people, you describe it in fact as a "no-brainer". Presumably you are convinced that Cameron shares your aversion to poor people. I would be genuinely interested if you could provide me with some proof of this - I might find it rather useful.

Posted 2 years ago #
porterclough - Member

The meaningless but surprisingly common "should of been" is nothing to do with education, it just means you don't read much and spell things as you hear them. What you've heard but never seen written down apparently is "should've been", i.e., a contraction of "should have been" which of course makes sense wheras "should of been" is just some words.

Posted 2 years ago #
Forking Our Souls - Blocked

Presumably you are convinced that Cameron shares your aversion to poor people.

There you go again: presuming. Do you blame your propensity for presumption on your 'adequate' education, or merely the fact that you're an idiot?

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

No, I based my assumption on the fact that you called it a "no-brainer". Which incidentally, is grammatically incorrect.

Here you are, this is what you said :

I'm comfortably well off and I detest poor people, especially the feckless and work-shy. So I'll be voting for Dave, no-brainer really.

So why would it be a no-brainer then ?

What sort of idiot would say that, if they felt that Dave didn't also detest poor people ?

Posted 2 years ago #
Forking Our Souls - Blocked

Ernest, I'm starting to get rather bored with this. The title of the thread is "Who will you vote for at the next election". Not, I might add, "Who do you feel shares all the same likes and dislikes as you".

If that was the title of the thread, then yes, you'd be forgiven for making the assumption that I assumed Cameron detested poor people (he probably does, especially if they're all as objectionable as you, but that's not the issue).

The OP said:

Ok, so the Conservatives are going to screw the poor to make the rich even richer and Labour are going to bankrupt the country by giving all the hard earned tax money to the skiving scum that have never worked, don't want to work and are happy living off the state.

My tongue-in-cheek post (although I'll be the first to admit, many a true word is spoken in jest) was a direct reply to that particular sentiment.

An educated man would have noticed - and perhaps been amused by - the broad brush-strokes and slightly idealistic tones used by the OP, and would have recognised a similar timbre in my post.

With the benefit of hindsight, it's little wonder that it sailed right over your head.

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

Ernest, I'm starting to get rather bored with this

I'm not surprised. It can't be much fun being wrong all the time

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"you'd be forgiven for making the assumption that I assumed Cameron detested poor people"

But you said that you were voting on the basis of 'detesting poor people'. So it stands to reason that you presumably thought your candidate also detested poor people

But wait ............ you're now saying that it was all just a hilarious joke ! LOL you really had me fooled there mate ! Yep, hook line and sinker .......... straight over my head, as you put

BTW, I found your use of the word 'idiot' interesting. Specially coming from, as far as I know, the only person on this thread to have complained about "personal insults".

Posted 2 years ago #
Forking Our Souls - Blocked

So it stands to reason that you presumably thought your candidate also detested poor people

Only an idiot would be able to find logic in that Ernest.

The only insult I've seen so far is your assertion that I'm "full of sh!t", which I take to mean that what I say is untrue, therefore I'd be a liar.

My use of the word "idiot" wasn't an insult, it was a statement of fact that's as plain as the nose on my face. Your misunderstanding of others' posts and your inability to compute basic information points to only one thing: you are an idiot.

Posted 2 years ago #
backhander - Member

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
He called you an idiot, Ern. Bang him out you roughy tradesperson.
(Well I've called you worse but this bloke is getting right on my tits)

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

The only insult I've seen so far is your assertion that I'm "full of sh!t"

No, I didn't say that you were full of sh1t. I said that you might be full of sh1t.

Although I'm pretty much convinced now.

Anyways, back on topic .............what's this you where saying about Gordon Brown not being fit to be Prime Minister because of his physical disability ?

Or was it just another one of your hilarious jests which went completely over my head ? ........... you little jester
you

Posted 2 years ago #
Forking Our Souls - Blocked

Anyways, back on topic .............what's this you where saying about Gordon Brown not being fit to be Prime Minister because of his physical disability ?

Again Ernest, it was what's known as a joke. A short story with a humourous climax. For starters, I didn't say GB wasn't fit to be PM because of his physical disability. Once again, you've interpreted my post to suit your opinion of me. I merely questioned why anyone would vote for a government run by a man whom I chose to describe by his physical characteristics, namely his clammy handshake and his unfortunate habit of gawping like a fish at the end of every sentence.

I then said: "But then, I suppose things don't look half as bad when you've only got the one."

That was a bit of wordplay on the expression "things don't look half as bad". You see, he only has one eye, that's just over half the national average. Do you see? The joke being that with only half the number of eyes, he'd only be able to see half as much. Therefore, bad things would only look "half as bad". Do you understand now I've explained it to you?

So yes, it obviously did go over your head. But I'm sure, with my help and a bit of effort on your part, we can get that brain of yours working just enough for you to understand some of these posts.

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

Ahhhh I see ................... you were mocking the disabled !

Ho ho ho ............ yes, very very amusing

Well done !

Posted 2 years ago #
surfer - Member

Again Ernest, it was what's known as a joke

I love a good joke me, I'll hold your coat Ernie!

Posted 2 years ago #
toomanybikes - Member

well, I'll be voting tory because
1) fed-up with the jocks running my country
2) wont vote for the greens 'cos who wants a person who wears hessian underpants running the country
3) be buggered if i'll vote for the liberals

Posted 2 years ago #
Forking Our Souls - Blocked

2) wont vote for the greens 'cos who wants a person who wears hessian underpants running the country
3) be buggered if i'll vote for the liberals

Careful TMB, any minute now the village idiot will amble into view and accuse you of discriminating against hessian underpant wearers and accusing all liberals of being sodomites.

Ahhhh I see ................... you were mocking the disabled !

Ernest, pray tell, where am I "mocking the disabled"? I have to confess, you're starting to intrigue me - I've never come across anyone with such a creative attitude to interpreting written statements. You really are quite singular.

Posted 2 years ago #
ernie_lynch - Member

Ernest, pray tell .................. You really are quite singular.

You are Sherlock Holmes and I am definitely claiming my £5 !

Posted 2 years ago #
Forking Our Souls - Blocked

Oh, there he is. That's another shining example of me successfully predicting an event but failing to predict exactly how or when it would happen.

On that note gentlemen, may I bid you all a good weekend, I'm off to 221b Baker Street to smoke my pipe.

Posted 2 years ago #
BigDummy - Member

What a peculiar person. I wonder whether he'll stay long.

Posted 2 years ago #