you're only getting married because you want regular sex and a pack lunch.
I get this??? I demand my arrears!!! 
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Who voted for these idiots? c'mon own up.
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packed lunches or sex??
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packed lunches or sex??
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ernie_lynch - Member
But what if you have two regular members of the congregation who decide they want to be married in that church but they just happen to be the same sex?
> Churches are allowed to refuse to marry divorcees, no?
They can pretty much refuse to marry whoever they want to. They provide a service for their congregation, not for Joe Public to stroll in off the street and demand their services. You can't go to a church informing them that you never go to church, don't believe in God, and you're only getting married because you want regular sex and a pack lunch, and then expect them to marry you.Posted 4 months ago # -
IIRC you tell then they are an abomination
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But what if you have two regular members of the congregation who decide they want to be married in that church but they just happen to be the same sex?
Would that even be likely as the same sex couple would not be accepted as part of the congregation or even the religion?Posted 4 months ago # -
You think there are no gay christians?
Have you ever been in a catholic church?
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that is unfair druidh, not all the priests are gay
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I think I've already made the point that churches can marry who they choose to marry. They can also allow into their congregation whoever they wish to allow into their congregation. Being part of a religion is not obligatory, not in this country anyway, if you don't like a religion's rules then don't follow it - that's what most people do.
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You think there are no gay christians?
Obviously I don't know becuase it would be incredibly hypocritical of the church, and certainly help them lose any credibility in the argument.Have you ever been in a catholic church?
No, I don't believe I have.Posted 4 months ago # -
JY I see the cuppa and vegan treat haven't relaxed you yet. Go to bed and sleep on it. You will do yourself a mischief taking on the Church on your own tonight
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we know all this ernie we are objecting to their rules being forced onto to those who dont believe in their god/s...the argument being that most of those opposed to gay marriage are christian, though i am sure there are also some bigots ...it was in zulus link that the main objectors were religious.
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I think I've already made the point that churches can marry who they choose to marry. They can also allow into their congregation whoever they wish to allow into their congregation. Being part of a religion is not obligatory, not in this country anyway, if you don't like a religion's rules then don't follow it - that's what most people do.
You could say that about the bus companies in the USA in the 1950s until Rosa Parks came along. Before having the freedom of opting out you need the freedom to opt in.Posted 4 months ago # -
Junkyard anyone can start their own religion if they don't like the rules - Henry the 1/8 proved that a while back. If gay christians want, they can start their own religion - no one will stop them. There are no legal restrictions on religions, not in this country anyway, and anyone can declare themselves a priest, vicar, rabbi, mullah, whatever. Isn't the Rev. Ian Paisley self-ordained ?
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The church thing is all well and good (and a whole thread in its own right) but doesn't actually have much to do with the OP. the proposed change is from 'civil partnership ceremony' to 'civil marriage ceremony' and would not in any case have any bearing on what godish types can, can't, should or shouldn't do.
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Indeed anyone can start their own religion. L Ron Hubbard the 60s SF writer did. He decided it was the best way to get rich - and he founded scientology as a completely mercenary and cynical act
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I have no problem whatsoever with churches refusing to marry gay couples. As the church drifts away from popular opinion it becomes irrelevant.
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Stuff the establishment; Love needs no approval.
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what if you have two regular members of the congregation who decide they want to be married in that church but they just happen to be the same sex?
I have to admit I find it slightly bewildering why they would want to be members of a congregation that believed people like them shouldn't get married. But in any case that's an internal discussion for believers and nothing to do with me.
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konabunny - Member
I have to admit I find it slightly bewildering why they would want to be members of a congregation that believed people like them shouldn't get married.
That's religion innit. No different from being the future head of the church of england and wanting to get divorced then remarry.
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Would you be allowed to have "sympathy for the devil" played at a civil ceremony? or does the church own the rights on ALL music at weddings/partnerships? If so HowTF did that happen?
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I have to admit I find it slightly bewildering why they would want to be members of a congregation that believed people like them shouldn't get married. But in any case that's an internal discussion for believers and nothing to do with me.
They're currently part of a country that believes people like them shouldn't get married...
As I understand it, CofE vicars aren't allowed to marry same sex couples but they can perform a blessing, if they choose to.
The rules for divorcees are similar. A CofE vicar can choose whether or not to allow the ceremony in their church. And, unlike homosexuality, Jesus specifically said that remarriage after divorce was wrong*.
*according to the bible. So, you know....
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Would you be allowed to have "sympathy for the devil" played at a civil ceremony? or does the church own the rights on ALL music at weddings/partnerships? If so HowTF did that happen?
I believe, there's not allowed to be any religious content in a civil ceremony. They had to make a special rule up to allow Angels by Robbie Williams to be played.
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non-religious content is fair enough I guess but angels and god only knows (despite the name checks) don't sound very religious to me. Just wondering what other stuff (I'm thinking classical) could be vetoed on spurious links to god
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A CofE vicar can choose whether or not to allow the ceremony in their church.
I can think of at least one vicar of my acquaintance who would jump at the chance to do a same sex church wedding. Many people in the C of E are actually pretty groovy about equality and that sort of thing. Presumably they read the bits of the Bible that say things like 'Judge not lest ye be judged' and 'Love thy neighbour' and skipped the crazy bits about prawns and buggery.
They had to make a special rule up to allow Angels by Robbie Williams to be played.
When I am in charge there will be a special rule preventing Angels by Robbie Williams from being played. Ever.
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When I am in charge there will be a special rule preventing Angels by Robbie Williams from being played. Ever.
When I'm in charge, Robbie Williams won't exist. He will never have existed. Anyone who claims otherwise shall be force fed sprouts in a small, windowless cell until they recant.
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Just wondering what other stuff (I'm thinking classical) could be vetoed on spurious links to god
Actually, thinking about it, we were allowed to replace God Only Knows with 'Arrival of The Queen of Sheba' by Handel. That's right, from Solomon, named for the main character whom you may recall from such other famous works of secular literature as "The Old Testament" and "The New Testament".
I don't know why I didn't have that argument properly at the time, probably I was distracted by organising the sodding place settings for the wedding breakfast or something.
When I'm in charge, Robbie Williams won't exist. He will never have existed. Anyone who claims otherwise shall be force fed sprouts in a small, windowless cell until they recant.
VOTE TOAST FOR A WILLIAMS-FREE FUTURE.
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Anyone who claims otherwise shall be force fed sprouts in a small, windowless cell until they recant
Mmmm, sprouts. With riesling and bacon for maximum impact, but frankly I'd eat them raw.
And I'll happily admit to seeing Robbie Williams live - cheesy pop done well is no bad thing. Lots of stage presence too; he's no Freddie Mercury, obviously, but then who is? Men made up, ooooh, 2% of the audience.
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@ handel, what about electrasy's angel, is that allowed?
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Mrs Toast
When I'm in charge, Robbie Williams won't exist. He will never have existed. Anyone who claims otherwise shall be force fed sprouts in a small, windowless cell until they recant.I suggest that is cruel and unusual punishment and will get you into a lot of bother.
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"I believe, there's not allowed to be any religious content in a civil ceremony."
...which is crazy.
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Men made up, ooooh, 2% of the audience.
were any of them straight?You cannot have any religious overtones to any wedding or civil ceremony that does not take place in a church..the registrar checks this out hence why even angels can be disallowed [ though it is far from religious]. You may sneak something under the radar but it is strictly not allowed
Yes it is bonkers that christians decide who marries whim and then how as well ...how do you think they would react if we banned them from marrying in churches and said they could not mention religion at their weddings?
They are happy to stop fee choice of others and force their will on us all but would be most unhappy* if the majority tried to do this to them. we constantly have to tolerate their intolerance as they are special FFS can we enter an age of enlightenment?
I dont mind folk believing in gibberish , some people think trail centres are fun....but I do object to being forced to do what they want..imagine only being able to ride trail centres ...shudders or not being able to marry who you want.....no one has the right to decide this* they might be happy they quite like to be persecuted for their faith
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it is bonkers that christians decide who marries whim and then how as well
Who are these powerful Christians that are blocking equal marriage? As far as I can see, the reason is homophobia, whether religiously-inspired or not.
how do you think they would react if we banned them from marrying in churches and said they could not mention religion at their weddings?
I'd imagine they'd feel it was an unwarranted interference in their civil rights, just as one being prevented from marrying someone just because they're of the same sex as one is.
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yes the hypocrisy was my point.
The you gov poll pages back made the point that the strongest objection to gay marriage is from the religious.
You think there is no link between their religious beliefs and their views on homosexuals ?Posted 4 months ago # -
were any of them straight?
My answers to the obvious questions I was asked were:
(1) Yes, I am
(2) To a woman, yes
(3) I'm as certain as I can be
(4) Honestly never really been tempted, though never say never
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