alexxx its moderation. Smoking can not be harm-free in moderation though.

Your lungs are super-delicate.

Funny thing is, alot of the posts are replies from smokers in denial ‘I am very healthy/very fit and I smoke’.

I wonder what Specialists, Doctors or Nurses who deal with the sharp end would say to the posters above?

alexxx its moderation. Smoking can not be harm-free in moderation though.

So? You’ll be hard pushed to find any smoker that doesn’t know this. Those that still smoke have accepted it.

Funny thing is, alot of the posts are replies from smokers in denial ‘I am very healthy/very fit and I smoke’.

Mine wasn’t. I smoke because I enjoy it, and when I no longer do, I’ll give up. Till then, I don’t see what business it is of yours?

I wonder what Specialists, Doctors or Nurses who deal with the sharp end would say to the posters above?

Quite a few of them smoke, ime. Either way, as above untill it’s illegal, it’s got naff all to do with them.

you never seen a Doctor or Nurse smoke Hora?

Funny how the ill-educated smoke isn’t it?

Why do you want to share something with those that are abit thick?

I’ll let the several doctors who I occasionally have a fag with outside the hospital that know I can no longer engage them in conversation due to their lack of mental capacity. Funny, they all seemed fairly bright to me until you mentioned it. Thanks for the heads up 😉

You’re sat where you are because of a series of choices… and maybe as a product of your environment you are quick to judge, I’m saying take a step back and think of the benefits these “bad” things can bring people rather than the biased negative approach.

Its not about smoking being good or bad or possible to moderate its about life and living and taking your own path.

I’m not a regular smoker before you blast me with the smokers denial, I have the occasional roll-up usually when at a festival or when the moment takes me to fancy one… I certainly cant remember buying any tobacco for months any maybe only ever bought 10 packs in my life… I’m certainly not the healthiest of guys either but I wouldn’t say I’m unhealthy, I cook well, I eat crap, I don’t drink much water, I like gin and tonic, I wear my helmet most of the time, I do fall off, crash and break bones… but I’m still here and enjoying what I do… I am human!

alexxx

You sound far too reasonable and level headed to be on here……..bugger off 😉

you never seen a Doctor or Nurse smoke Hora

and Harold Shipman was a Doctor.

😀 he also had a beard… evilllll beard… naughty, bad, evilll beard
so did Bepe on EastEnders… so that theory probably has legs.

I love reading hora arguing it’s like watching jelly roll down hill no one knows what will happen once it has built up some momentum but it certainly wont stop

Enough of me anyway, I’m going to eat health foods, exercise and watch the world from the internet for the rest of my life.
Cya on the flip flop

Junkyard. You are a smoker, you are bound to say that.

When I smoked I hated people telling me where I could and couldn’t smoke and I always brought up the NHS/tax argument.

You always feel like its us and them.

*sparks up another bine*

Mmmmmm, lovely fags! You delicious, smokey bastards!

yes smoking so affects my judgement that I think your arguing is funny as you shift around all over the place
Hora I have met you and you are some way short of the perfect human specimen yourself…. you look like you have had one or two too many pies. Despite this you may still be fitter than some slim people who dont excercise…odd innit
Conversley I smoke [rarely amd almost always tobacco free] you were not even close to keeping up go figure.
I agree you cannot smoke and claim it is good for you and the damage depends on how much and how often you smoke.

Ha ha! Hora, I think you’ve been what the Yute Dem would call ‘Pwned’!

😆

Silly Hora…

lovin the jelly analogy

Fancy a fag Hora?

you never seen a Doctor or Nurse smoke Hora

I’ve got mates who are doctors. Smoking? It doesn’t really figure on the radar when compared to their massive alcohol/class A intake

I kind of smoke have not for 3 days, but will probably have some at the weekend. Annoying thing for me is if I have some after the weekend I’ll smoke them during the week. I’d be happy being a weekend smoker but the bastard nicotine is to powerful.

Does anyone know, the gum is available in 2mg where as marlboro light are 5mg. So if I used gum would I not become more addicted?

On the Hora/fitness issue: I’d just like to point out that my nicotine, beer and pie- addled body ALWAYS carries me to the top of climbs a lot quicker than the svelte, my-body-is-a-temple form of the Enigma himself 😀

a lot quicker than the svelte, my-body-is-a-temple form of the Enigma himself

Wierd. I weigh 16stone. Even though my waist is 34 now. I guess its my cheeks!

Perhaps its the weight of your expectations?

…..or more probably your saddle-bags

None so pure as the purified eh Hora?

ego weighs more than muscle fact, now back to my k-hole

Can someone tell me what the difference is between fags bought over the counter & the peasant fags that you make yourself ?

Apologies for the bone question, but i’ve never smoked a fag in my life.

D.

Counter fags – filter in and generally dearer – some claim it is mixed with sulphur as it will burn all the way down once lit
Roll up are blends of the tobacco plant – it may refer to a reefer /spliff though if a long roll or my personal favourite of after dinner jazz cigarette.
they taste different if you smoke as well but as anon smoker both would make you cough I suspect the roll ups have more tar

‘straights’ or ‘talior mades’ have chemicals in so that they burn evenly and a filter that doesnt degrade particularly well ~ £6 for 20

‘rollies’ are simply tobacco wrapped in paper, although some people buy filters to put in themselves. ~ £6 for 25g (40ish – depends how you roll)

funny smelling rollies are significantly more expensive.

pipe tobacco is different again – i have no experience of that tho’

all can vary in strength, flavor etc

You don’t want the horrible peasant roll-ups. How frightful!! You need the cigarette of champions…. everyone possessed of fine taste and refinement goes for….

Ex-smokers. How much do you need and treasure your morning espresso’s now?

Ex-smokers. How much do you need and treasure your morning espresso’s now?

Can tell you’re from the affluent south (m/cr) – nothing but the finest freeze dried instant for me 🙂

Yoshimi. Ah we move in different circles I see. I’m just going to don my Rab Everest-rated jacket and head down to the organic cafe to discuss new Camper shoes with the other new-wave types

I suppose it’s time I involved myself in this thread.

Some information, reflecting on posts thus far:

The difference between hand-rolled tobacco and tailor-made fags is insignificant (in terms of health and addictive qualities). Both are heavily treated with a large number of chemicals to increase the addictive action, thus making tobacco companies more money. Hand-rolled is certainly not a safer option.

Taxation from tobacco sales has not equalled it’s cost on our society since 2003. It cost the UK ~£3.5 Billion in 2009.

Is the gum more addictive than fags? No, but people do occasionally become addicted (although very rarely). Smoking delivers a large bolus of tobacco at a very fast rate. This is one of the reasons fags are so addictive. Tobacco companies treat their products specifically to speed this process up.

It should be pointed out that Nicotine, in the doses people receive through smoking or NRT use, is mostly harmless. It’s all the other crap in tobacco smoke that does the damage.

If your GP tells you that 5-a-day isn’t bad, he/she is misinformed. 1-a-day will, on average, double your risk of CHD.

Healthcare professionals smoking doesn’t validate it. My subjective opinion on this is that it simply highlights the power of smoking addiction on people, despite how well-informed they are of the consequences.

All kinds of people will tell you how to stop smoking. I’ll always state that smoking is an individual action. The basics of physiology are the same, but the psychological complexities differ for everybody. There’s no better or worse method, nor any better or worse type of pharmacotherapy. It’s all about what’s right for that individual.

I’d certainly agree that people won’t stop for good until they really want to, and adverts banging on about COPD/CHD/cancer won’t really make too much difference until it has a personal influence on that individual (e.g. Grandad has a stroke). Personally, I feel a lot of the messages about smoking cessation that the DH deliver are wrong. Instead of trying to make people feel bad about smoking, I’d prefer to let people feel good about considering stopping smoking.

That’ll do.

131.5 hrs and counting!

Hora – and other people that’ve quit… does your vehement disgust for all things smoking actually show that you still really want to smoke, and that you keep telling yourself with almost religious zealous that it’s horrible to stop yourself having a cheeky drag? Go on you know you want to…

does your vehement disgust for all things smoking actually show that you still really want to smoke

I’m afraid Hora is in denial about rather a lot of things. Smoking is the least of his worries on this score

Hora – and other people that’ve quit… does your vehement disgust for all things smoking actually show that you still really want to smoke, and that you keep telling yourself with almost religious zealous that it’s horrible to stop yourself having a cheeky drag? Go on you know you want to…

I don’t feel disgust at all. I enjoy having a heightened sense of taste and smell but have zero interest in having a crafty puff. I stopped around 18 years ago and took up running.

Set myself a goal of eventually running a 10K, then half marathon, then a full marathon.

But, interestingly, whilst I smoked (around 20 a day) I never coughed or suffered from chest infections. Whereas my daughter (smokes roll-ups) sounds dreadful.

It’s not easy and you have to want to do it. Take control.

Binners, regular and long masterbation helps release pressure now 8)

have you tried this with Bingo 😯
IGMC

He doesn’t push back like binners does 😯

The Southern Yeti – Member
131.5 hrs and counting!

Hora – and other people that’ve quit… does your vehement disgust for all things smoking actually show that you still really want to smoke, and that you keep telling yourself with almost religious zealous that it’s horrible to stop yourself having a cheeky drag? Go on you know you want to…

Well done on reaching 131.5 hours, keep it up!

When I gave up in the past I would sometimes have cheeky drags every so often and this would lead me back into addiction. This time feels different and I am sure it is because I was really well prepared mentally to stop. It does feel very different, almost cathartic in a way.