Well the answer is a carbon 29er

EXPERIENCE TRAIL RIDING THE YT WAY

http://www.jeffsy.com/
https://www.yt-industries.com/cat/index/sCategory/508

(apologises if bin dun)

She’s pretty!

Wheels are a bit too big though 🙂

Say some angry folk

That looks sweet, numbers look good too. Shame about the stupid name and the ad campaign (not that I care one way or the other), all they needed to do was release the riding video because it’s awesome! Little Gwinn pinning it, 29er doing a 360, bar dragging, packed full of win!

Spotted a very stealthy black one under Dirt’s Steve Jones earlier this week, looks very nice.

Adverts came out 29 days before launch date. Not exactly a huge surprise

Too short for me, which I’m quite glad about – as I know I won’t be tempted.

Funny.

Silly ad campaign which created a whole lot of pointless angst & fuss, particularly when nobody knew what it was about.

I’d have to get a medium to fit a reverb which gives me a reach of under 450, combined with the 66.9-67.6 HA I’m out.

Stupid ad campaign for a dull looking generic bike.

I’m out 🙂

also I cant seem to see anything that states rear travel…

Well that video should shut up all the dumbarses that think 29ers are just for xc.

Black one looks lovely.
How can you “Hate” an ad campaign? Just bloody ignore it! 🙄

Bit………………meh.
Looks like a Trek Specialized.

I cant seem to see anything that states rear travel…

140mm front and rear

I’d have to get a medium to fit a reverb which gives me a reach of under 450

No, the LARGE has a reach under 450! Or to put it another way, despite everyone and their dog going longer/lower slacker, it’s 25mm shorter than a 2007 Specialized Enduro.

And that seat tube mast makes sizing up a problem.

I thought they’d have learned from everyone saying the Capra was too short, but they must genuinely disagree. Strange.

No, the LARGE has a reach under 450! Or to put it another way, despite everyone and their dog going longer/lower slacker, it’s 25mm shorter than a 2007 Specialized Enduro.

It’s still 1mm more than the much loved following in a large.

Similar to the Gwyn fiasco, who gives a fek when it’s actually released??

The marketing campaign is utter bobbins, therefore I’m out.

thisisnotaspoon – it’s 25mm shorter than a 2007 Specialized Enduro.

Strange isn’t it? The geometry on paper isn’t really much better than quite a few bikes.

Could have been great, but ended up being a resounding ‘meh’.

Hmm, would have been interested in the XL but the seat tube height means I wouldn’t be able to run a 150mm dropper, shame as the rest of the geometry is sorted, it’ll also probably look like a gate in XL.

Also yt’s prices have shot up since they signed gwin, they’re not much better than a traditional sales brand nowadays.

thepodge – Member
Adverts came out 29 days before launch date. Not exactly a huge surprise

awaits the next one that comes out 27 and a half + a little bit more days from launch

Bit………………meh.
Looks like a Trek Specialized.

+1

Also yt’s prices have shot up since they signed gwin, they’re not much better than a traditional sales brand nowadays.

Really? The pro CF is ~£3600, that will get you naff all from trek; nothing which would match the YT spec.

Compare with the pro pictured above.

Also yt’s prices have shot up since they signed gwin, they’re not much better than a traditional sales brand nowadays.

Bottom spec alu Stumpy is a poor comparison to the bottom spec alu Jeffsy, and that’s £2200 vs €2200. So still a pretty good saving.

Also yt’s prices have shot up since they signed gwin, they’re not much better than a traditional sales brand nowadays.

They went up for sure (so did Canyon), but show me a normal sales model bike you can get with X01, reverb, carbon cranks and carbon rims for £3600.

thisisnotaspoon – Member

No, the LARGE has a reach under 450!

Yup, but they recommend the large for everyone over 5’8 so it’s essentially a medium. And it’s an 18.5 seattube? Weird tbh, it’s like they’ve just put the wrong size stickers on them. Wheelbase is pretty on trend for a big 29er really, not as big as a geometron or the mega 290 but comparable to a trailfox or remedy (once you’ve gone up a size on the remedy, as you do)

(I’ve slightly drunk the long wheelbase koolaid but I might have overdone it… I was expecting great things from the Mega based on the sizing but tbh it felt very similiar to the Trailfox, if I’d guessed I’d have said it was the same size, maybe a bit more reachey. It’s left me feeling like maybe you hit diminishing returns. Maybe not. Maybe it’s not actually as big as it says?

TBH- first LT 29er, you probably shouldn’t be going mental… the geometry’s still a lot more progressive than a lot of the competition.

Also I like that the raw colour is Rawr.

Scienceofficer – Member

Well that video should shut up all the dumbarses that think 29ers are just for xc.

Some chance, Aaron Gwin won sea otter on a 29er and Tracey Moseley won All The Enduro on her Rememememedy, that didn’t stop them.

Re and TTe are the same as a 2016 enduro large and a 2013 mega TR large given or take 10mm either way. So I think reach is on the money.

most peoples L is an 18.5. I think what YT have done is pretty standard

I agree L is the new normal, I used to always be a medium and now I take a large in bikes, weird marketing bull.

My thoughts on the Jeffsy are shut up and take my money, it looks great.

Anyoen knwo where the video was filmed?

[video]https://youtu.be/edj6lVXK7-c[/video]

Before I waste my time and do it myself – how do the geo numbers compare to the Hightower?

The Hightower was the bike I have been lusting over as my dream “next bike” but ~£6,000 for one was a touch crippling.

Re and TTe are the same as a 2016 enduro large and a 2013 mega TR large given or take 10mm either way. So I think reach is on the money.

To me that demonstrates that the reach is too short, but we are probably different body shapes.

If I was YT I’d have made the seat tube lower and the top tube longer though, you can’t fight progress!

Cali. George. As per.

hoke – Member
Cali. George. As per.

Looks very European to me at the start there

Hightower is lower, so you can fit a longer reverb, and 5mm longer (though its lower at the front too so if you put 20mm spacers under stem to get the same stem height you would lose a few mm of that reach)

Northwind – the geometry’s still a lot more progressive than a lot of the competition.

Upper average I’d have said but I’ve been paying too much attention to very progressive bikes recently

Interesting to have no ISCG mounts. How would I mount a skid plate for 1/2x where you can’t run a bash?

Regarding the reach, a designer (Keith from Banshee possibly?) wrote an article basically saying that to have a similar handling feel to a 26/27.5 bike 29ers needed to have slightly shorter reach for a given length ETT. Or something. I guess 29ers are inherently more stable so you don’t need the extra length at the front but they are a bit longer at the back so to try and keep the wheelbase short and maintain easy handling a shorter reach makes sense. Certainly this is the case when you compare the Banshee Rune vs Prime and Spitfire vs Phantom. I’ll try and find the article, it made a lot of sense to me.

Regarding the reach, a designer (Keith from Banshee possibly?) wrote an article basically saying that to have a similar handling feel to a 26/27.5 bike 29ers needed to have slightly shorter reach for a given length ETT. Or something. I guess 29ers are inherently more stable so you don’t need the extra length at the front but they are a bit longer at the back so to try and keep the wheelbase short and maintain easy handling a shorter reach makes sense.

For the same reach and head angle the extra length of the fork extends the wheelbase quite a bit, that why early 29er were steep, to keep the contact point with the ground nearer to the rider than if you just used 26er geo.