filtering on the right can be just as bad, watchout for bored drivers suddenly doing uturns
When a driver flashes another driver out of a side road.....
the onus is on cyclists to be aware of things like this happeningas the potentially injured victim there is a self preservation onus to watch out for these ***wits but legally the onus is on the person pulling into/across traffic. No-one is saying keep riding at the idiots who pull out in the smug knowledge you're in the right, we're just pointing out who is legally at fault.
according to a friend after his advanced drivers test if I remember correctly - by doing so you take some responsibility to say the way is clear and in a resulting accident you may held liableI think insurance companies may try this tactic to weasel out of paying the full costs (despite, afaik, a flash merely meaning "I am here") but reckon you'd be pretty unlucky to get anything other than a "silly boy" off the rozzers. IANAL
False courtesy is to be avoided as it breaks the right of way and leads to dangerous situations like this.
But whatever the legal ins out outs, when filtering I think you should always be ultra-careful of this kind of behaviour as people do it thinking they're being nice and so see nothing wrong with it.
Basically as my Grandad said to my Mum when she was learning to drive (late 1950's), assume everyone else on the road is an idiot...
If someone slows right down on a main road to let others out or turn across/in with me behind them I'll beep. Its not a give way line and its not courtesy its bordering on stupidity. I had someone virtually go from 40 to zero in a 40 limit to let a family cross the road. There was me and 4 other cars behind him- the car behind him almost went right up his arse. It was bizarre- the driver even did the 'what/flabbergasted arm gesture through the rear window.
Leave courtesy to opening the door for someone. Roads should only ever follow the rules laid out in black and white.
I had someone virtually go from 40 to zero in a 40 limit to let a family cross the roadif there was a family "stranded" in the middle of the road I'd give way for them, better that than some **** on their phone not seeing them and mowing them down, wouldn't slam on for it tho, easy controlled slow down - if practical
Donk side of the road ready to cross.
You wouldn't do it if there were cars behind/following you.
filtering on the right can be just as bad, watchout for bored drivers suddenly doing u-turns
Or seeing a side road on the right and cutting off down it to try and avoid traffic. However the benefit of filtering down the right (which is what I normally do) is you can see the staggeringly high number of drivers texting, tweeting and updating Facebook. It seems to be the done thing now. Oh it's a queue of traffic, not going anywhere for 30 seconds, I'll just text.
Calling it "filtering" does not make overtaking at a junction any less dangerous.
I always find it annoying when the flow of main road traffic gets stopped due to this
More often than not there is a clear road after 2 or 3 cars have passed the junction anyway
It just seems to cause problems
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who's in the wrong?
The guy pulling out.
Also the guy flashing someone out, according to a friend after his advanced drivers test if I remember correctly - by doing so you take some responsibility to say the way is clear and in a resulting accident you may held liable.
Anyone know if this is right?
The guy flashing someone out isn't at fault, the guy pulling out is always at fault. No court would hold the flasher in any way responsible whatsoever. Either your friend is wrong, or you haven't remembered correctly.
This morning, a van which was half-way through overtaking me on my bike, stopped and flashed some pedestrians over the road. Thankfully, I'd seen them and realised what he was doing. From the pedestrians' position, they couldn't see me at all.
No court would hold the flasher in any way responsible whatsoever.
Maybe not in this country, but I have heard differently from across the Atlantic.
interesting thread, I consider myself a courteous driver and often let people out - maybe I'll stop doing this by flashing at them and let them make their own minds up...
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