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What's the most over-rated bike out there?
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Posted 1 year ago #
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"If you are a trail centre mincer then the 5 will be wasted on you, ride the Lakes, Peaks and Alps and you will enjoy it lots". - Agreed, it's designed for tougher trails than the average UK trail centre has. Comparing it next to a Giant Trance X - please... You'd rattle one of those to death on a decent lakeland trail.
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Inbred. It's like a Scandal only heavy. Pointless things.
Think the Soul possibly is a wee bit overrated, it's bloody brilliant mind but people get carried away. I love/loved mine but it does have its limits and it's expensive.
And yeah, Orange 5. Great bikes but again people get carried away, they're very good at the job they do but that job isn't neccesarily the job most people want done. Yet people insist they're great allrounders, which they aren't really. MBR reviews pretty much sum up Five overrating- "The wheels are too narrow and too weak, and the brakes down't work, 10/10!" That and finding out Orange won't recommend a middle ring bigger than a 32, that's a big failing in an am bike.
And while we're at it, P7. Laughably overweight and overpriced. Fanboys decide that because they're overweight, they must be massively strong... Nope. Ah but it must be because of CEN! Nope. It's just lazy design because they know people'll buy them and make excuses. If it said On One on the side it'd cost £150.
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I think bikes and kit get overrated because of people on here and elsewhere just trying to justify their reasons for buying something.
So in reality there is nothing wrong with any of the bikes out there, just people arguing the toss
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Comparing it next to a Giant Trance X - please... You'd rattle one of those to death on a decent lakeland trail.
Have you ridden one in such conditions? I rode mine on Sunday along the Devils Staircase and Ciaran Path and it handled it no bother at all. It's totally un phased by anything you can point it down and it's strong as ****. 5's look a bit flimsy to me.
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+1 for what Jedi said.
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No bikes are great allrounders, if allround means from dh race to xc race and everything in between. Stupid expression really.
If i had to choose 1 bike to do an xc and dh race on though, a 5 would be up there.Posted 1 year ago # -
IMHO it's got to be the Commencal Meta 5, god awful sofa riding heavy ass thing. I've test ridden one on four occasions and just thought the same again and again.
Conversely I actually like how the Orange 5 rides, just can't get over the as my mate put it so eloquently 'looks like it's been welded by a blind monkey' looks.
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I definitely agree that certain bikes don't suit a certain riding style or even the local terrain.
Hence my dislike of anything with 6" or less by specialized, to XC orientated, or the vastly overpriced Turner equivalent. The most money I have wasted to date has been on a NOS Turner Burner, two rides & it resides in the loft, heavy steep & dull, no idea how they were popular back in the day. My Horst link Azonic propulsion on the other hand which was supposed to be a Turner rip off has much slacker angles & is still part of my collection after seven years, three powdercoats & loads of different kit.
Not that I actually ride much
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I think the 5 should actually have 'welded by Vickers Armaments' on the side.
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Inbred. It's like a Scandal only heavy. Pointless things.
You might be right but the Inbred came first so arguably there'd be no Scandal without the Inbred. And presumably On-One still sell them because folk still want to buy them.
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..." And while we're at it, P7. Laughably overweight and overpriced... If it said On One on the side it'd cost £150".
A P7 is made from reynolds 631. An On-one is made from 4130 chromoly steel, there's a difference.
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Orange have a reputation for building strong bikes that can take a hard time because Steve Wade is concerned with designing reliable bikes that don't need regular maintenance. Look at all the guides that use them in the alps. The latest fad someone like Specialized come up with is only around until their profit pays for tooling, then out comes a new design with the marketing to tell you it's better than the old.
Yeah the 5 is hyped, just as much as the first Specialized Enduro was, both aren't ideal for every type of riding but then no bike is.
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stevenmenmuir - Member
"And presumably On-One still sell them because folk still want to buy them."
ie, overrated
sparkingchains - Member
"A P7 is made from reynolds 631. An On-one is made from 4130 chromoly steel, there's a difference."
Yes there is- but the P7 fails to take advantage of it. Don't look at the material, look at the results. The fact that 631 is more expensive doesn't make the frame worth more, if the frame still ends up overweight and not particularily strong. (it's only CEN-tested for 140mm)
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Don't even get me started on fully rigid/singlespeed, if you can get away with that it's not proper mountain biking
But we all rode rigids. It was mountain biking back then wasn't it?
What is it with all the ill feeling about Orange
Please don't misunderstand me, it's not ill feeling to Orange. I suggested test riding a 5 because Dave wanted a British made trail bike. We all really wanted to like it and were very disappointed when we all hated it. He settled for a P7 (frame made overseas of course), with all the Hope upgrades, because we all loved riding it.
Comparing it next to a Giant Trance X - please... You'd rattle one of those to death on a decent lakeland trail.
I agree they are not comparable. The Trance X is quiet and much better tracking in my experience - it was superb riding down Snowdon for example.
Hey, it's the Internet - we can have different opinions!
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... and it's lucky we do, else we'd all be out on the same bikes!
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Who gives a sh1t?
As long as the bike you ride gives you pleasure (and keeps you riding faster than your mates!) it's irrelevant.
As for aesthetics; I'm too busy looking at the ride ahead to care what my bike looks like.
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you're new here aren't you.
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I've tried a few 5's and really enjoyed riding them, I'd buy one if u could justify the cost.
I've never ridden a specialized I've liked from £300 basic harstails to range toppers. They always seem like they have been made in a hurry and lack quality.
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Definitely Orange 5's(rode one for a year).Until i changed bikes i never realised how poor it was.A couple of years ago it was "trendy" to buy Commencals and it seems as if its Lapierres turn now.
If the media didn't hype bikes then they'd be out of business.Posted 1 year ago # -
Steel Hardtails.
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Any Trek, Marin, Specialized, Kona, Carrera, Boardman, Bontrager, DeKerf, Orange, On One, Ragley, Cotic, Litespeed, Cannondale, Raleigh, Surly, Ibis, Intense, Mongoose, Giant, Gary Fisher, Diamondback, Voodoo, Cove, British Eagle, K2, Proflex, Scott, Klein, GT, Haro, Fuji, Mountain Cycle, Ventana, Breezer, Norco, Nuke Proof, Sunn, Nirve, Schwinn, Amp, KHS, Kestrel, Jamis, Iron Horse, Turner and Santa Cruz.
The only good bike ever was the Raleigh Street Wolf.
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Been into a merc d(st)ealership and seen a merc MTB? Somewhere between 50-100% overpriced. Same with BMW, Audi....etc...
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On-One 456, had one for over 6 months and just didn't get on with it.
I've got to disagree on the 5, tis expensive, but I've demo'd a couple now and loved them. Just can't afford one currently. Currently ride a conventionally suspended Cannondale Prophet which is great, but the lefty forks are a pain for maintaining. Had a Heckler for over 2 years, great bike, but too short in the top tube. US designed geo I guess.
The one bike I regret getting rid of though was the '04 Specialized Enduro (the old monocoque one). I don't care what others think, that bike was just ace and the second hand values of them on ebay show they're still well regarded.Posted 1 year ago # -
Same old faces grinding the same old axes i see.
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Most overrated bikes;
Steel framed pseudo Cross bikes with disc brakes and no gears.
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Cheap steel hardtails, my 456 makes my bum hurt and still feels slower than my Orange 5.
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orange 5
cotic soulPosted 1 year ago # -
I don't know many people who have ridden a Jones to over or under rate it.
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This looks like a list of the bikes we have here, (or have owned and rated)!
Are we sad 'overated' bike owners!!? ps never had (and very unlikely to have) a Jones
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Whe-Hey, no mention of my RM Slayer
I'll translate that to mean ...'it's awesome'
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Oh definitely the Orange 5*
* Of course what I mean is that I wish I had bought / could afford one but I didn't / can't, so I'll vent my impotent rage here on a web forum instead. I also hate BMW / Audi for the same reason (look there's nothing wrong with a Passat ok? ), yeah I'm pretty bitter about how my life turned out so I'll pretend that one of the best bikes ever made is shit and all you need is a steel hardtail made by some bloke with a beard in a shed (but actually Taiwan) because I mean jesus I'm nearly 40 my wife hates me my kids don't want to know me my bastard mortgage is huge what the **** am I doing oh to hell with you all aaaaagh
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Funny, I start reading this with a view to expressing my opinions on RM, and no-one else does until this point.
I had an ETSX-70. It was badly designed, badly finished and rode like a shopping trolley despite all my attempts to sort it out. I've looked at other RMs. The finish has always been poor and the designs a bit lacking. When I compare them to my Yeti there is simply no comparison. I now ride a Sanderson Life and it's a lovely bike.
Spesh FSR120 was a good bike, but nothing special.
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I do get annoyed with the hype machine. Five years ago it was if you couldn't dare venture offroad unless you had a six inch 35lb All Mountain bike a la Giant Reign or Spesh Enduro. Both bikes were brilliant, but no so much if you lived in Essex.
Four years ago, you absolutely had to have a Commencal. Two years after that you couldn't look at a Commencal without risking it breaking.
Marin went through a phase of being cool that didn't last long and now we have Lapierre who seemingly have the answer to every rider's numptyism.
I apologise to owners of all these bikes (I own two that I've mentioned), I have no doubt that some bikes are game changers but allowances need to be made for common or garden numptyism that no bike will ever compensate for.
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