Costs need to be cut, so what treatments that are currently available on the NHS shouldn't really be covered?
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What treatments shouldn't be available on the NHS?
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Posted 6 months ago #
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physio ?
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It's kind of going that way.
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IVF
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all treatments for fattys and smokers..............
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Any complications resulting from private healthcare - removing that burden from the nhs would save a fair bit of cash.
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Surely treating fatties and smokers will bring the costs down in the long run?
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*dons flameproof suit*
IVF
Heart transplants
Heceptin and similar
Gastric Bypass
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Treatments all should be.
Cosmetic enhancements not unless they can prove there's some sort of psychological issue caused by them. Then even pay some sort of part cost.
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Anything related to "Lifestyle"
Otherwise...FFS.
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Oh, and injuries caused by falling off a horse.
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Finger tip injuries caused by fixed gear chainring fettling, you've only yourselves to blame I'm afraid.
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what was the reasoning behind heart transplants tj ?
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Maybe treatments don't need to be cut. But start fining people if injurys are self inflicted whilst drunk or under the influence of other drugs. Obviously some cases won't be clear cut, but if someone crashes their car drunk or on CCTV clearly starts a fight then why not fine them a hefty sum to pay for their treatment.
Also, I've always wondered does the NHS sell equipment, skills or services to private companies? Surely having one of the largest medical organisations in the world there must be a business opportunity somewhere?
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how about injuries caused by falling off a bicycle?
poor troll DD
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It's all very well pointing the finger at [insert spurious choice of treatment here], but the real challenge is going to be provision of a decent standard of elderly care, coupled with the fact that what really costs is things like ITU bed occupancy.
It'd work out cheaper if we could prevent things happening 'downstream' - but that would mean using our common sense...
I don't think there are going to be any easy answers, beyond making everybody do national service on the wards.
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anything for drug addicts. and fat people, oh and anyone with that tired all the time thing.
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i can just see you in A and E now crikey " no you can fek of with that you moron "
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Car crash victims should be kept in some kind of stasis until the police have confirmed who's at fault. Any patient found to be at fault...down the chute to the incinerator.
Anyone injured by falling from a tandem. Even if it's not his or her fault.
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at ton
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*Depending on whether people are prepared to be heartless in the name of cost savings, any treatment for the terminally ill that will prolong their life and not cure them could be axed.
The slogan "Man up & die for your country!" could be the next "Keep calm and carry on". But it probly wouldn't stimulate sales of spin-off paraphernalia about cup cakes etc.
Is that the kind of thing you wanted to hear?
Are bullets cheaper than pain meds?the real challenge is going to be provision of a decent standard of elderly care
You not familiar with Logan's Run or Soylent Green?
*Not necessarily Rob's actual views.
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Anyone injured by falling from a tandem. Even if it's not his or her fault.
There would have to be some sort of clause about helmets...
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Cosmetic enhancements not unless they can prove there's some sort of psychological issue caused by them.
it's all too easy to convince a doc that you need something if you cry enough!
I think they should stop wasting money in other ways than cutting treatments. there are a number of overpaid middle and upper managers that could be got rid of.
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Weekend drunken A&E ....
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As an aside - does the NHS carry out any drug development research? That could save them or indeed earn them a fortune could it not?
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Any complications resulting from private healthcare
*wonders if should agree with SBZ*
(wouldn't really amount to much though, would it?)Posted 6 months ago # -
(wouldn't really amount to much though, would it?)
It would, if they (private provider) had to pay full-whack for critical care capacity and workforce training.
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well workforce training's a bit different (I guess BA should pay the military for their pilots too ?)
critical care, a bit yeah but I doubt it's very common. They don't do many properly major ops in PP anyway (err, do they ?), so it's only when a simple one goes tits up
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TandemJeremy - Member
*dons flameproof suit*
IVF
Heart transplants
Heceptin and similar
Gastric Bypass
I can sort of see where you're coming from with the IVF and gastric bypass (although I don't necessarily agree with the views) and I don't know what heceptin is but I'm wondering why you've included heart transplants in that list?
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well workforce training's a bit different
I suppose it's a related issue - transparency of costs.
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I've always wondered about drug research too. They're a few issues with it though, such as the huge investment to bring a drug to market and drug companies aren't known for being the most ethical organizations. Perhaps producing out of patent drugs could save money?
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non essential cesarean sections.
apparently it costs £700 more than a natural birth so if people want to pay the extra fair enough but it shouldn't be a free option.
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poor troll DD
Ah fleck it. Thought I'd disguised it really well.
Right, while we're at it; injuries from fighting in town centres at the weekend; sprained ankles from wearing high heels; brain surgery for anyone with a double digit iQ; heart transplants for those not in love; hip replacements for bad dancers.
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Well, apart from the Wellcome Trust, you mean?
The old saw is that the second pill costs £1, the first pill costs £100M. Drug research, especially getting through the layers of testing and approval before it can be prescribed, costs a huge amount of money.
We already use a lot of out-of-patent drugs, but it's pretty much a tautology that new drugs are usually better than the old drugs, so they cost more.
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transplants due to lifestyle damage. ie liver for alcoholics. lungs for smokers.
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