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  • what to do when dog attacks your dog…..
  • SiB
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    Just back from walk and have noticed an inch gash on my dogs back as a result of a dog running out from an unfenced property adjacent to a public footpath, chasing my dog, and then biting its back.

    The owner was present and after he had his dog under control a bit of a slanging match ensued (to put it mildly!), him telling me his dog was just protecting his land……i asked if the public footpath was his land etc etc. , add a few swear words, im not proud of my language but sometimes….you know!!

    Yes, threats were made on both sides, i told him to come out to public footpath minus dog to ‘sort it out’ as i wouldnt touch him when he was on his own land (yes, I would have gone for him, not proud of that either), he just carried on ranting and then his young (i asssume) granddaughter suddenly appeared I decided to walk away. Got back home fuming and now wondering next course of action

    I contacted police…..they told me its a council matter so until monday…

    Got to take dog to vet so does anyone know what I should do ie should I go and see dog owner first to let him know?

    This is not the first time his dog has run out and acted aggressively, all the other times I have been ready for him so had my two dogs on leads so I can put myself infront of them and scare ‘attacking’ dog off with shouting and kicking out at it if it gets too close…..its an old Alsatian that in mot scared of but if it was someone else i dread to think what might happen (lots of local dog walkers so I shall be having a chat to some of them to see if any had similar experiences)

    I have absolutely nothing against his dog, I have against him though, so much so that I dont fully trust myself to go to his house as if he speaks to me like he spoke to me 30 mins ago i think I might……..well, do something I know i shouldnt do.

    My dog appears unaffected apart from open gash on back.

    yes yes yes, how I wish i had reported every other occasion his dog has acted aggressively on public footpath. First thing monday morning I’ll be on phone to council, if only i had done so on numerous occassions already.

    So then…..what should i do next as a law abiding citizen who wants to stay this way!

    5thElefant
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    Dogs get into fights. Not a police matter. Tell your dog to dtfu.

    chewkw
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    Wack the other dogs as hard as you can then think about consequences later. It’s just a natural reaction to protect the weak … no big deal.

    I can assure you the dog will think twice next time to attack or not.

    I have dealt with aggressive dogs many times in my life … the dogs hated me but they would think twice before they ran towards me coz they would have a metal pipe pain straight into it’s head. Wack! You see them running away dazed. Aim for the head but not the snout coz the latter might kill them.

    I did’t intend to give them permanent injury just to teach them a lesson.

    You think too much. 🙄

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    aracer
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    Yeah right. So it’s fine for another dog to attack your dog which is minding it’s own business?

    Police rubbish as usual over this sort of thing – other dog was clearly dengerously out of control which is an offence.

    MarkBrewer
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    Our dog was attacked unprovoked last year by a staffy that was off its lead (ours was on a lead) I just kept kicking it as hard as I could until it decided it had enough, took at least 10 hard kicks though!

    Then the owner appeared and threatened me for kicking his dog, perfect example of a dog only being as bad as it’s owner 🙄

    Ended up with a nice vets bill for a gash to our dogs mouth, did report it but apparently the dog would have had to have bitten a person for anything to be done!

    nedrapier
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    At the very least, you should be able to claim for your dog’s treatment at the vet.

    Should be pretty straightforward to establish failure to keep his dog under control and your financial loss as a result.

    He’s obviously got no moral qualms about his dog doing this sort of thing, and it doesn’t sound like you’re likely to change his mind on that front. But if you can make it financially worth his while to keep his dog on a tether or put a better fence in, you might still get the result you want.

    suburbanreuben
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    5thElefant » Dogs get into fights. Not a police matter. Tell your dog to dtfu.
    Yeah right. So it’s fine for another dog to attack your dog which is minding it’s own business?

    No, it’s not fine, but it isn’t a criminal offence. Had the OP been “worried or afraid” the other dog might bite him, then it is an offence.

    Maybe Plod aren’t up to speed with the new legislation…
    http://blogs.rspca.org.uk/insights/2014/05/14/how-the-changes-to-the-dangerous-dogs-act-affect-you-and-your-dog/#.Vdh5tflVikp

    Sandwich
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    would have had to have bitten a person for anything to be done!

    I don’t believe that is correct but may be a “we haven’t the manpower or money to take this further” excuse.

    nedrapier
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    Just read Mark’s after mine.

    You can buy third party liability insurance for your dog, so it must be established that you can be held liable for damage done to other people’s property by your dog.

    And if you’re dog is on the receiving end of damage by someone else’s, and you suffer financially as a result, that would be something you can seek compensation for?

    I know this sounds like it’s al about the money, but that’s not really where I’m coming from. It’s like when public prosecution for manslaughter or murder isn’t pursued or fails due to a legal technicality, and the family take up a civil case to establish guilt. Not really about he money, more about finding a different way to arrive at a decision and a public acknowledgement that the bad thing that happened was that guy’s fault.

    MrOvershoot
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    OK lets say he was walking with a child that was attacked on a public footpath, would they just have to ctfu ?

    thegreatape
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    I’m sure as a child I read in the SAS Survival Handbook that you should poke your finger up its arse in this situation. Unless that was when a wolf is trying to eat you?

    EDIT Seems out of context now, I was answering the title question.

    MrOvershoot
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    SiB your local to me, just for reference/safety give us a clue where it was

    chewkw
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    MarkBrewer – Member
    Our dog was attacked unprovoked last year by a staffy that was off its lead (ours was on a lead) I just kept kicking it as hard as I could until it decided it had enough, took at least 10 hard kicks though!

    When dogs are fighting their adrenaline are pumping so high that they went into crazed mode. Try as you might to shout at them they cannot hear you. Kick as much as you like at their bodies nothing happen.

    I used to separate dog fights (our two stoopid ones) and usually you let them grab/bite on each other first when their movements are slow then you go in for the “kill”. Ya, you need to remain calm first. When dogs are in a fight there will be a period of time where they bite one another that is where they you have time to target the one(s) you want.

    If they are pit bull or highly dangerous ones … aim for the snout slightly further from the eyes then give it a big wack. If the jaws were already locked onto you/your dog then if you hit the snout with all you have … it will leave the other dog(s) having difficulty breath so will let go.

    hora
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    Our westie was attacked by a Staff. My dog badly bit the owners hand when she stuck her hands in. It came out 50:50 with hers with puncture wounds and mine with a bloody ear.

    Never ever stick your hands in.

    OP report the dog and owner.

    Your dog was attack unprovoked so its natural that you got angry.

    CheesybeanZ
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    I’d call the police and inform the dog warden , the dog / owner might be known to them .

    This is a good technique for separating two dogs ..

    Breaking Up a Dog Fight with Another Person
    1. Each of you shall grab the back legs of the fighting dogs, and then pick them up like wheelbarrow. With the dogs’ legs up, they are pulled apart and kept from each other.
    2. Do this by circling behind one pooch, grabbing his back legs, and then raising them up into the air. Without the use of his back legs, the dog will be forced to stand on his front legs and will not be able to continue fighting
    .3. Separate the dogs as you back away slowly. Just hold their feet or legs continually as you move in a smooth backward arc. That way, your pet won’t be able to reach around and bite you. Because the dog will only be using his front legs, he’d be kept from maneuvering with any agility.

    irc
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    Presume the OP is in England. In Scotland this would be a crime as I’d say he had “reasonable cause for annoyance.”

    Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982
    8. Section 49(1) of the Civic Governm
    ent (Scotland) Act 1982 makes it an offence
    for any person to allow any creature, includ
    ing a dog, to cause injury or danger to
    any other person who is in a
    public place or to give that person reasonable cause for
    alarm or annoyance.

    SiB
    Free Member

    MrOvershoot………..public footpath down the side of Barnston Dale Camp, Storeton Lane end by the stile. Walking round area daily with two dogs – springer and Spanish water dog, say hello if you see me!

    Update….just got back from going round to see him, as predicted it was unpleasant at beginning so changed tact and talked dogs, it calmed the situation down, pleased with myself!

    Had a bit of an Inbetweener moment though (rollercoaster @ Thorpe Park!)…after all the shouting and threats had stopped he said couldnt afford proper fence as was laid off work after bad car crash up the road a few years ago and jobless ever since (shame to say that looking at the property and cars this could be true), very restricted movement in his hand kind of backed this up. Went on to say his wife had good job a couple of years ago but she had two strokes that changed all that……I’m obviously a sucker for a sob story! Went on to say his dog is a rescue dog, with cancer that he couldnt afford to have any treatment on…….funny how some info can diffuse a situation!

    Got thinking that maybe he was playing mind games with me, make me feel sorry for him and in doing so make me change my tact…..it worked if that was his plan which was good as it became quite civil after that.

    He said he would contribute to vets bill…..after telling me life was v tough and reason was fence had gaps in was because he couldnt afford to fix it. Mind game??

    Asked him if I should report him to council or will fence definitely be fixed v soon? He said I’ve got to do what I think is right…..hows that for mind games?? Went on to say the council would give him hassle which might send his wife over the edge again, and that he’s now going to fix it whether council involved and keep dog under control until its sorted. My head is telling me to tell council but heart saying give the poor bloke a chance. I think I know the answer but what would you do?

    He said his granddaughter was most important thing in his life so I obviously had the “what if a grandmother was walking with her granddaughter and dog on lead up the path which they often do” conversation, it seemed to have some effect, hopefully fence will be repaired v soon if he sticks to his words. Even had the “you’ll have to get an extendable lead and just stand with your dog in garden until fence fixed if it needs to go in the garden” conversation…..agreed but I have my doubts.

    Yes, I know dogs fight, just a bit p1ssed off that through no fault of my own I may have a vets bill to settle and although he said he would contribute that could be unlikely whether his stories are true or not. I wouldnt go down the legal route to claim costs back and maybe he knows this so plead poverty etc.

    Have bathed gash and put antiseptic cream on…does savlon work for dogs?? Shes not wincing or moving when I touch cut and Im now wondering if I shaved area and made a few strips out of plasters to pull gash together would this work? Just re-read this q…sexual innuendos were not intended! Plus side is that wound is out of her reach so she cant bite the strips off if I go down this route.

    When I say gash its about 5cm long and 1cm wide so not really a big gash as i may have made out, its just looks nasty, not too deep but very red and pink (not dripping blood) and I can pinch it together easily. #youtubeveterinaryskillsforbeginners coming up!! Any recommendations gained from real life dog wound experiences are welcomed!

    hora
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    So his dog attacks another dog then.

    SiB
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    Some good advice for breaking up dog fight, must keep my middle finger lubed at all times.

    it was far from a fight, more of a one bite to warn you off move. Dog very big showing its teeth and barking when I confront it when my two are on the lead behind me (believe me when I say that takes some skill as my two are obviously not holding back!)….it does run off when I start shouting at it and lashing out at it, it has never gone to bite me. Its not the point though, its an aggressive dog not under control.

    hopeychondriact
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    This is what you get when you have dogs, tbh I reckon they’re evil things.
    I know that comment is unhelpful and irrelevant to some degree but this country is plagued with unruly dogs.
    Can’t they all be fluffy, quiet and not shit everywhere. 👿

    anagallis_arvensis
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    Take your dog to the vet and set your insurance on them. Mine were very keen to folliw it up when mine was biten but as it was a playing acident I didnt get address or other details to passvon.

    mitsumonkey
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    Can’t you use superglue to seal cuts of that size? I think I’ve heard about that for working dogs on shoots when they get caught by barbed wire.

    big_n_daft
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    I am.sorry but the op and others must be trolling the forum

    Every dog owner with an aggressive dog has always insisted that their pooch has never done it before. Therefore any suggestion that there are repeated incidents should be treated with incredulity and dismissed as the fantasies of dog haters

    mitsumonkey
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    Edit: I’m not recommending you glue your dog up for one minute, just showing it can be done.

    MrOvershoot
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    SiB – Member

    MrOvershoot………..public footpath down the side of Barnston Dale Camp, Storeton Lane end by the stile. Walking round area daily with two dogs – springer and Spanish water dog, say hello if you see me!

    Oh you mean the bit I pretend isn’t a footpath on my bike 😉 Rode up there on Wednesday evening & surprisingly saw not a single person. The fact that it was hosing down and a bit blowy might have had an effect.

    I’m a bit wary/scared of dogs as I still have the scars on my throat from being attacked by a dog when I was 5 🙁

    timidwheeler
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    Dogs get into fights. Not a police matter. Tell your dog to dtfu.

    +1

    Tom_W1987
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    Use as much force as necessary to protect your dog, even if that means killing the other owners dog.

    It’s their problem, you shouldn’t have to deal with it. Fed up with **** chavs running around with roided out staffies off their leashes…. that end up attacking other dogs.

    Tom_W1987
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    Breaking Up a Dog Fight with Another Person
    1. Each of you shall grab the back legs of the fighting dogs, and then pick them up like wheelbarrow. With the dogs’ legs up, they are pulled apart and kept from each other.
    2. Do this by circling behind one pooch, grabbing his back legs, and then raising them up into the air. Without the use of his back legs, the dog will be forced to stand on his front legs and will not be able to continue fighting
    .3. Separate the dogs as you back away slowly. Just hold their feet or legs continually as you move in a smooth backward arc. That way, your pet won’t be able to reach around and bite you. Because the dog will only be using his front legs, he’d be kept from maneuvering with any agility.

    Have you seen videos of some of these fighting dogs? The only way you would get them to break grip is by caving their skulls in.

    surfer
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    Wow less than a mile from me. Sometimes run along that path.

    wicki
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    Aggressive dogs and dick head irresponsible owners really piss me off so now I carry a defense device, its legal here.

    there is also a device that emits a ultrasonic sound and it stops a dog but not 100% effective.

    a dog dazer.http://www.amazon.com/Dog-Dazer-II-Ultrasonic-Deterrent/dp/B000IBRI2Y

    FunkyDunc
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    Our dog was attacked by another when we were sat in a pub beer garden. Police were interested and visited them after. It wasn’t the first complaint about the dog…. And more importantly the owners. Dogs are not bad, it’s how they are trained.

    Without being all STW, it could be a child’s face next time

    CheesybeanZ
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    Wicki , wheres are you based thsts legal to carry a defence device ?

    househusband
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    This was suggested to us by the (former police dog handler) trainer at puppy training classes and has worked well for us. A few squirts in the mouth stops them doing whatever they’re doing; he also suggested it as a harmless defensive measure against other dogs.

    moose
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    I have an on/off aggressive dog with epilepsy. We’re not sure if the epilepsy was due to the abuse he suffered as a puppy. Thrown against walls, down stairs etc. He does have a problem with receptive behaviours and routine.

    However we manage it quite effectively, full body harness, long line for leg stretch. I carry a soft muzzle for when he is having a difficult day, his harness is has bright red “nervous dog’ panels on it. We have a compound we use where he can run off the lead away from other dogs.

    He’s never bitten another dog, even if he’s wanted to because I manage him effectively. Most owners don’t bother with obedience training, or more importantly socialisation. The lemon juice works as a training tool, also if a dog is attacking yours squirt it in his eyes. Harsh but they will release.

    wicki
    Free Member

    pepper spray is legal here and can be bought on Amazon.

    joeegg
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    A friends Jack Russell was killed in front of her by a Bull Terrier.
    This was the second dog to be killed by the Bull Terrier and the only police action was to advise the owner to keep it on a lead.
    My dog,a King Charles was attacked by a neighbours dog and the owner had to beat it off with an umbrella.
    It attacked again a few weeks later but luckily i was there and gave the dog a hefty boot to the chest to get it off.
    Out on my bike i get a phone call from my wife saying don’t come back home yet as her boyfriend is here threatening to kill me.He’s shouting and swearing and going mental.
    About a week later a car pulls up at the side of me and he jumps out.I wasn’t intimidated and told him exactly what happened and that if i’d had a stick i’d have you used that on his dog,and would do again.He said he wasn’t told about the attack,just that i’d kicked the dog for no reason.
    Chewkw has it right. Hit the other dog as hard as you can and act quickly.

    moose
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    Hit the other dog as hard as you can and act quickly.

    Be very careful, some of the dogs I’ve dealt with at the rescue would tear your assaulting appendage off without a second thought, they’ve gone on to be destroyed, but god knows what damage they’ve done before we get our hands on them.

    Some breeds you will have to be fully committed to going all the way in defending your dog as a few hits could make things worse.

    Edit: My pooch is a Patterdale/Whippet cross. So far from a traditional dangerous breed. Just a very nervous and fearful old boy.

    Malvern Rider
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    A few years back I was driving along and passed a woman walking along an A road, no path, she was right by the verge/metal barrier, seemingly miles from anywhere. Something seemed ‘off’ about it so pulled in little way further as soon as I saw somewhere safe.

    We got out of the car to see her approach, to see a limp little dog in her arms, front of her shirt completely covered in blood. She broke down and I put a towel along the backseat and helped her inside. Her dog was dead, she managed to explain that she was walking on a footpath half a mile or so back and an unleashed akita had ripped into her dog. She told us that he man who owned the akita had left her at the spot to deal with the tragedy alone, simply stating ‘it looks like it’s still breathing’, before taking himself and his dog back down the path leaving her to walk down a dangerous road carrying her dead pet.

    moose
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    Ah, Akitas. The new status dog. We’ve seen an increase in these being bred with Huskies and Malamutes. As the regulations against bull breeds have got tighter, the usual suspects have switched onto these breeds.

    Unfortunately, most of the people like that use the dog as an extension of their egos or use the dog to deliberately intimidate people because they’re weak, bullies.

    moose
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    The two Staffy pups I posted in another forum were from a mother who was 11 months old, face covered in scars from fighting. The pups had to be taken from her at 3 weeks old because she didn’t have a clue what to do, affection and nurturing were not things she could give.

    All the pups we’ve fostered have had some form of mistreatment or neglect in their young lives. There are some absolute animals out there who have no idea or care how to appropriately treat and train their pet. I’m all for people being licensed to own dogs, and new offences created to criminalise these scumbags and lock them up for much longer than the law currently allows.

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