For me I want
1. Free trade
2. Free movement of people

Some support of academic research is probably a good thing too.

I don’t really know enough about farm subsidies and development grants, but it appears that those who got them generally voted to leave so if they go I’m not too worried.

I wnat the lass from Rad Salon in majorca, not sure the missus would approve though

Currently, I think the best I can hope for is that any Europeans realise I’m Scottish and, as a result, don’t hate me.

Take you’re ‘tap aff’ they’ll recognise the shade of blue

All the europeans I work with not to think we are all complete basket cases, its not going well at the moment

From a point of view of pure selfish greed…

Some support of academic research

More than “some”.

A card now and again. You know, so it feels like they care.

Unlimited alcohol imports and cheap holidays to Magaluf!

Greece out of the EU and Euro so we can have nice cheap holidays again!

Sorry, to be clear, do you want free movement of people, or free movement of labour?

They’re not the same thing, and under current EU rules, restrictions can be placed on free movement of labour for a variety of reasons.

I would be perfectly happy with us out of the EU politically, but within the single market, whilst applying greater restrictions on free movement of labour than we do at the moment, to the maximum extent possible within the rules.

They’re not the same thing, and under current EU rules, restrictions can be placed on free movement of labour for a variety of reasons.

Doh, you mean we always had the tools to stop those bloody lazy foreigners coming over here working hard and stealing our jobs? If only the racists had known that last week.

You gave to wonder why none of our governments ever really applied them to their greatest potential.

Probably because none of them were listening to the proletariat…

The sort where you wipe it on the curtain rather than using a beaker 😉

For me, what we already have – will that cost us less or more if we leave? 😉

Some kind of workable trade deal and the rights for people to travel freely to take up gainful study or employment in a reciprocal way. While we’re all part of Europe, we do have different cultures, etc. and i think it’s important we allow people to choose to experience that if they wish.

What do i want from the UK might be a more pertinent questions right now.

I’d start with the politicians to stop, think, have a look at themselves and then find a way to co-operate for the benefits of our citizens and friends in the rest of Europe and the RoW, rather than continuing this pathetic spectacle (although entertaining, in a watch from behind the sofa kind of way)

And from the citizens themselves, to reconcile that we have different opinions on the benefits or not of various potential arrangements with Europe / RoW but to loudly affirm that in no civilised construct of any of those arrangements is there space for racism, bigotry, intolerance and hate.

TLDR – stop being dicks and start behaving like civilised people.

all the Europeans I know and work with understand the Uk’s dilemma and realise we’ve always had a different relationship with the eu. They’re sorry to see us go, but wish us luck and hope we’ll remain close partners.

I personally just hope that in 5 or so years time we don’t look back on this and regret it, and maintain close ties with our European friends whatever the details of the divorce. I actually hope that the EU reviews its approach and reforms in order to stem the same negative sentiments we’ve seen here before they take too much hold there.

It’s important that both the EU and the U.K. Come out if the other end of this in a better and stronger place. We share alot of common problems and challenges in the world going forward. We’re going to need each other.

1, a legal oversight that protects rights and prevents hate laws.
2, A peaceful political union, working together for common goals. Leaning from our history in war and destruction.
3, Freedom of trade, freedom of movement.
4, A joint approach to scientific and technical research, as the questions get bigger the answers will mainly be achieved from co-operative projects.

Common agricultural policy is a big area that really needs reform.

The criticism of the EU’s democracy are completely bollox

No free movement, an agreed cap open to all EU citizens subject to a points system

Free trade needs reforming to protect our farmers and fishermen for example

ECJ with jurisdiction over trade issues only, no human rights, no tax policy

If we can’t agree the above then no agreement and WTO tariffs

The idealist in me says “what we had before”.

The pragmatist thinks we should differentiate between nationality and residency, and taxes changed to suit. So you’d pay income tax locally and N.I. to your home country for example. Then state benefits would be paid by your home country, and if your home country has no public health service you’d have no reciprocity with the country your resident in and you’d have to continue paying your health insurance, conversely a Brit abroad would turn up with their E112 card, and the hospital would send the bill to the NHS (to whom the Brit is still paying NI). Ditto schooling, you could emigrate to Finland (they’re the best schools IIRC?), and the British government would receive a bill for your kids education. The benefits of a free movement, but appeases the right wing?

ECJ with jurisdiction over trade issues only, no human rights

We already have that, unless you actually meant the European Court of Human Rights?

Pretty much as it is now plus:

1/ Eurobonds and the same base rate for all countries just like the Fed

2/ Company tax to be paid in each state in proportion to turnover in each state. So if a company makes a billion profit in Europe and 10% of its European turnover is in the UK then the UK can tax 100 million as it sees fit.

3/ European MPs propose and decide what is to be discussed in parliament. Motions can be proposed by any group of at least 20 MPs, and put on a topics list. Any topic which “liked” by a given percentage of MPs gets discussed.

TINAS +1 but as a pragmatist too

I’m demanding a ten foot mahogany statue of the Emperor Julius Caesar with his c*ck hanging out.

So you’d pay income tax locally and N.I. to your home country for example.

You can, for up to 3 years (I think), it used to be for longer but it was decided that it is better for people to have the safety net where they live rather than where they were born.

That’s what I did when I moved to Germany, it helps to have a company that knows the system and helps, probably quite a minefield to have to sort it out yourself.

a Council of Europe which will comprise the
governments and peoples of as many European states as hold our convictions and accept the broad freedoms
of democratic life established on the freely-expressed will of the people in many places, though we make
great allowances for difficulties in great populations acting through Parliamentary institutions. This is the
Europe which we wish to see arise in so great a strength as to be safe from internal disruption or foreign
inroads. We hope to reach again a Europe united but purged of the slavery of ancient, classical times, a
Europe in which men will be proud to say, “I am a European”.
We hope to see a Europe where men of every country will think as much of being a European as of
belonging to their native land, and that without losing any of their love and loyalty of their birthplace. We
hope wherever they go in this wide domain, to which we set no limits in the European Continent, they will
truly feel “Here I am at home. I am a citizen of this country too”. Let us meet together. Let us work together.
Let us do our utmost—all that is in us—for the good of all.
and for the uk to be part of it.

You can, for up to 3 years (I think), it used to be for longer but it was decided that it is better for people to have the safety net where they live rather than where they were born.

That’s what I did when I moved to Germany, it helps to have a company that knows the system and helps, probably quite a minefield to have to sort it out yourself.

True, although with flights so cheap it’s hard to imagine you could ever find yourself stuck unable to get home. And 2x PAYE systems would be a nightmare.

But even as a ‘not quite as red as Corbyn, but still pretty lefty’ socialist, I can see that the other side of the coin is that everyone should pay in according to their means, and without a European superstate that means migrants haven’t paid in. I still support the right to free movement, and their right to claim benefits as required, but there could be some checks and balances to acknowledge that the UK is definitely on the receiving end of migration.

Not far from this…

[video]https://youtu.be/FjtEYt6l2Cs[/video]

the right to free movement, and their right to claim benefits as required,

& is one good reason why lots (& lots) of people voted out,

ECJ with jurisdiction over trade issues only, no human rights, no tax policy

THE EUROPEAN COURT OF HUMAN RIGHTS IS NOT, NEVER WAS AND CONTINUES NOT TO BE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE EU. FFS.

Any other random non EU stuff you hope to achieve?

No free movement, an agreed cap open to all EU citizens subject to a points system

So you want to be able to stop YOURSELF and your family from working in anywhere but your country of birth?

& is one good reason why lots (& lots) of people voted out,

I know, silly isn’t it, shame they didn’t look into the reality instead of just believing the simplistic jingoism of the leave campaign.

To be fair, now that we’re out I think we should go all the way and team up with Putin – destabilize the continent further…. boot the Americans out of British bases, turn Europe into a political vacuum and then carpetbag the place.

Let’s go all the way and really shake up the geoplotical status quo 😀 that’ll teach those pesky Germans.

I want the one that benefits me the most and screw everyone else.

Honestly though, the relationship we had about a week ago was just fine imo, it looks even better now than it did then.

USE

1/ Eurobonds and the same base rate for all countries just like the Fed

Edukator that only works if the bonds are issued by the ECB and guaranteed by all states equally and that requires full fiscal and thus political Union – ie the fufilment of the EU superstate project. I think you’ll find very little appetite amongst the people of Europe for that. In Brussels maybe

So you want to be able to stop YOURSELF and your family from working in anywhere but your country of birth?

No I said there sould be a cap and a points based system. The Australian, Canadian and US systems don’t stop me working there. I do have to apply and be accepted however

EDIT: I meant that cap and points sustem would work both ways, for people coming here and for Brits wanting to live and work abroad. Clearly other nations like Spain and Portugal who want to attract retirees are free to set their cap a d criteria appropriately

& is one good reason why lots (& lots) of people voted out,

When did you become this right wing?

Better to get annoyed at the lazy feckless natives who do nothing …it makes more sense if you want to hate. How much does a prisoner cost eh ?

Some facts for you to mull on

There is also a lack of wider context. EU migrants make up only a small proportion of the overall benefits caseload. They accounted for 2.5% of benefits the DWP administered in 2014 – mostly out-of-work benefits – in 2014, and 7% of tax credits, based on the HMRC definition discussed above.

The DWP analysis says EU migrants on “in-work” benefits cost the taxpayer £530m in 2013. That represents a modest 1.6% of the year’s total tax credit bill.

The free movement is what annoys folk that i must not call racist as I need to address their fear of foreigners without name calling.

I would prefer the relationship to be the sophisticated girl you never quite manage to cop off with distant and aloof but you still find her charms irresistibly alluring

So you’d pay income tax locally and N.I. to your home country for example.

You can, for up to 3 years (I think)

Used to be 3, then 2 but it’s renewable.
I managed 13 like that, but across more than one country.

If you move around a lot like i did when I first left UK, then you could probably do it indefinitely.

That’s probably abusing the system a bit more than what it was intended for if in one country, but both the host and home nation have to agree that “temporary” status and “temporary extensions”.

he Australian, Canadian and US systems don’t stop me working there. I do have to apply and be accepted however

Have you ever gone through one of these countries immigration systems? Lots and lots of waiting and lots of forms and a decent wedge of money. It’s a shite process to go through which I think is sometimes designed to put as many people off as possible.

Better to get annoyed at the lazy feckless natives who do nothing …it makes more sense if you want to hate. How much does a prisoner cost eh ?

Junky, will you please stop saying, ‘Eh’ in your sentences every time you reply to a reply of mine, thanks, just that it boils my water more than the actual comments.

Depends on whether said prisoner is Cat A, B, C or D. About 40K + per annum per prisoner for Cat A & about 25K ish upward for the others.
Don’t think I’m right wing either, probably dead centre of all parties & FWIW my fave politician was a guy called Gerry Steinberg. Google him.

For me:

1. Free trade
2. Controlled migration:

– no free movement for citizens with serious criminal records so that no parent has to go through the pain of finding out the man that killed their child had previously murdered someone in another country

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36652565

– some controls on the rate of migration linked to housing availability so that we don’t add to the problem of 100K children waking up each day in temporary accommodation

3. a revision to the way policy is developed so that we’re not just introducing policies that effectively lead to the wholesale transfer of jobs out of Europe because the standards we set are higher than anywhere els

4. A significant reduction in the size of the bureaucracy that runs Europe and the cost. If the figures of 6,000+ civil servants in Brussels earning more than £150K a year tax free are true it’s scandalous

5. A revision to the Lisbon treaty to remove qualified majority voting

6. A stronger social element to policy setting in Europe so that we’re not consigning millions of people to the lowest possible pay for decades (or longer)

7. A more dynamic Europe that fosters Enterprise, particularly in services. The claim of “free trade” on services is absolutely ridiculous given the numerous artificial and constantly shifting barriers that France / Germany / Spain erect to stop firms in other countries selling across borders.

8. The removal of passport free travel across Europe. Given the current geopolitical climate it’s absolutely crackers and just increases the threat level against member states (per the movement of the Paris terrorists from Brussels and back again)

9. A statutory duty for the EU to demonstrate how it is engaging with citizens in member states to inform new policy