It seems he’s been kidnapped and replaced by a robot real human being

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schoolreport/26768138

Spinning around like a magic top.

1. Teachers should be paid more
2. Comps better than many private schools
3 Bloody Etonions

Ah, new best friend…….

The blokes a **** idiot of the highest order, but the truly frightening thing is that he’s a clever idiot. I hate the ****.

Notice that “teachers should be paid more” was followed by a mention of performance related pay.

1. PRP doesn’t work
2. My employer has had its budget cut every year for the last few years. How will they pay their teaching staff more?

Why not let heads decide (1) mike?

Where does non-performance pay work?

If anyone could name me a situation where the introduction of PRP has lead to an overall increase in the salary budget I’ll eat Mike’s jeans.

teamhurtmore – Member
Where does non-performance pay work?

Define ‘work’?

anagallis_arvensis – Member
The blokes a **** idiot of the highest order, but the truly frightening thing is that he’s a clever idiot. I hate the ****.

I would like to affiliate myself with these remarks and would like to add further expletives, he is a massive **** cock!

I would like to affiliate myself with these remarks and would like to add further expletives, he is a massive **** cock!

He’s a politician, they’re all Nobbers. Lying, cheating, immoral Nobbers.

Where does non-performance pay work?

Banking bonuses apparently 😉

PRP is tough in schools. For example one of my Performance man targets is that a certain % of my gcse triple sci biology biology group have to reach their target grade. But the set below were failing badly so were dropped to double sci apart from 6 who came up to my set with the top two from my group going up. The ones who have come up have poor coursework grades done with their previous teacher so I am doing a day in the hiliday to retake theirs clearing up another teachers shit. None if this will bd taken into account when the numbers are crunched when the results come in. I’ve lost two at the top and gained six weaker ones.

I’ll eat Mike’s jeans

Will Mike be wearing them at the time and if so, can I watch?

Thats rather a specialist taste you have!!

There are some things tube sites don’t cover a_a 😀

http://www.twomenonelevis.com

Mind like a Welsh Railway, you lot:

One track and filthy. 🙂

Performance related incentives have a poor reputation elsewhere in free-at-point-of-use public service. (ie where ‘customers’ or in this case parents of pupils are less inclined and less able to shop around). Perhaps Gove thinks that heads and teachers will somehow be immune to the apparent tendency to work on the KPI’s (regardless of how, err, ‘non-key’ they may actually turn out to be) at the expense of everything else you should be doing but your managers now seem less interested in. 😕

There really aren’t enough *’s in the world to accurately reflect how much I ****ing despise the ****ing ****ing ****!!!!!!!!!! Or exclamation marks, for that matter.

Wasn’t his idea about regional payscales a chance to keep the pay the same for nice South Eastern middle class schools, while paying northern plebs enough to keep them in whippets while they teach street urchins how to make flat caps

He’s not clever though, too many people give the current crop of Tories credit they don’t deserve; all he’s done is lob a load of business practices written on the back of an envelope by Accenture in a document mixed with his own prejudices from public school education. We’ve all seen through it so not really smart if no one is falling for his BS

The problem with “what gets measured gets done” style PRP is it assumes you can measure everything that matters, because what doesn’t get measured surely will not get done.

I get a performance related bonus and I have little idea how it’s calculated other than if the CEO thinks I’ve done well I get paid well – I think this is the correct way to do bonuses if you are going to have them.

miketually – Member

How will they pay their teaching staff more?

According to the OP’s link Gove doesn’t mention that teaching staff will get more pay, he said, “Teachers should definitely be paid more than they are at the moment”.

There’s no commitment there at all.

I would hardly expect him to say “Teachers should definitely be paid less than they are at the moment”.

Specially as he is already probably the Sectary of State for Education who inspires the least confidence ever from teaching professions. I see no reason why he would want to antagonize them even further.

Non-committal words cost absolutely nothing at all, so I think it was a rather nice touch that Gove used such warm and generous words. Even if they won’t pay the shopping or have any value at all.

ernie_lynch – Member

Non-committal words cost absolutely nothing at all

Well, it costs credibility. Saying “I disagree with my own policies” is a bold move.

Anyone would think there’s an election coming up with all this populist talk!!!

Saying “I disagree with my own policies” is a bold move.

Has he done that ? I can’t say I follow Gove’s numerous and almost daily announcements very closely, but has he ever said that teachers were overpaid ?

Notice that “teachers should be paid more” was followed by a mention of performance related pay.

1. PRP doesn’t work

Why not let heads decide (1) mike?[/quote]

a) If heads decide based on the evidence, they’ll not go for PRP. The arguments PRP against are all spelled out on the NUT website. I’d love to see Gove’s evidence/arguments for…

b) Heads have enough to do without individually negotiating salary increments for each member of staff.

c) We already have schools canning experienced teachers to replace them with NQTs, so save money. We’re heading down a dodgy road towards zero hour temporary contracts…

I spelled out a bunch of my practical arguments against PRP on the strike thread. (The salesman still hasn’t answered my question about the widgets he sells.)

Never mind the educational bits, did anyone else notice how he pronounced the band name in the third video clip?

[video]http://youtu.be/3mnAC5KWvJc[/video]

I can’t believe he likes “rap”, but I can believe he likes Wham.

Seeing as it was for kids he should have done the opening verse of Peter Piper 🙂

ernie_lynch – Member

Has he done that ? I can’t say I follow Gove’s numerous and almost daily announcements very closely, but has he ever said that teachers were overpaid ?

Er, no, but he is education secretary, if he thinks teachers should be paid more then that is within his remit. So his mouth says “pay teachers more” but not his actions.

We’ll I’ve had enough of teaching (for now) and have handed in my notice after 21 years. It’s so prescriptive now and they change things on the hoof. Not sure what I’ll do, but it feels liberating.
Teaching requires committed teams, not competitive sniping over PRP.

Politicians – name me one (living) that isn’t a lying, opportunistic career El-Bend who deserves nothing more than universal derision…

Mo Mowlam doesn’t count because she’s unfortunately no longer alive…and I’m out.

Robespierre had the right idea IMHO.

So his mouth says “pay teachers more” but not his actions.

I’m sure Gove would argue that he would love to do what his heart tells him but that his hands are tied by the Chancellor who is trying to deal with “the mess left by the last government”.

Bless the Tories, they do try their best. And now that Gove has told us what he would really like to do, if only he could, I feel completely different about them.

And I hope a few more teachers now also realise what a great guy Gove really is.

Performance related pay only seems to work in factories but then lots of recent initiatives seek to convert schools into micro-managed box ticking factories. I go next Friday after 34 years.

Explains the dearth of applicants for my job. ‘good’ school in a brand new building, with views of Ennerdale fells (4 miles from the Lake District).
2 interviewees for my Geography post and 3 for my Head of Sixth Form role.
It was the job I’d always wanted – sadly not now.

I did the same Boxelder. I miss teaching but I can’t say I miss the politics of it all and the steady erosion of the conditions that helped to make it worthwhile.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention Gove is the worst Education Secretary I experienced in that 10 years. ****.
No consultation with the people doing the job in order to inform his policy changes. It’s always the case that because everyone has experienced their own education they think they know how to improve everyone else’s.

It’s Kay I feel sorry for.

One danger with linking pay to pupils exam performance is that it incentivises teachers to limit the aspirations of pupils, i.e. the only kids who get entered for the exams are the ones expected to get the grades – the borderline ones who might be able to drag themselves up to ‘C’, or might not depending on how they perform on exam day, are more likely to not be entered for it at all.

This sort of thing happens in the private sector too – I remember at my (private) school, the number of kids who got expelled in the six months before GCSEs were sat was more than the total “asked to leave” in the preceding four and a half years. Although there’s naturally likely to be a link between the kids with behavioural “issues” and academic performance “issues”, it was still remarkable the correlation between being asked to leave and being likely to fail the exams…

EDIT: +1 on Gove not only being a ****, but also being a dangerously clever ****.

was really close to retraining as a techer this year, but feedback from teachers and Goves changes have really put me off

hes just another career politician climbing the greasy pole

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