I did vote, but I'm inclined to support the right of others to choose not to vote, that is their democratic right.
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What are we all going to talk about after the Election?
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Surely a spoiled vote is the only way to make it clear you're expressing a dissatisfaction with all politicians? Sitting at home on your hands demonstrates nothing.
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Your choice. Not voting means you have abstained from the democratic process. So, for you, democracy doesn't exist, no. Therefore you forfeit any right to comment, for being part of a democracy means you must take part in it's process.
lol. That's right. If you can find any time, past, present or future where I complain about the elected government you're welcome to tell me to eat my words, but you never will. I don't vote you see, so it would be hyprocritical.
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Thank you Southern Yeti. How can you express your views, by not partaking in the process that has been agreed on by social consensus?
Of course you have the right not to vote, but if you don't, then your onions are invalid.
I'm too tired now, I'm off to bed.
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Surely a spoiled vote is the only way to make it clear you're expressing a dissatisfaction with all politicians? Sitting at home on your hands demonstrates nothing.
No, a spoiled vote looks like someone who can't write inside a clearly defined box. And that's exactly how they are treated. Do you think anyone sits there wringing their hands over all the spoiled votes or do you think they just get thrown in the bin?
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Thank you Southern Yeti. How can you express your views, by not partaking in the process that has been agreed on by social consensus?
hehe. 39.86% didn't turn out to vote in 2005. That's a significant social concensus I reckon. Never mind.
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Samuri you seem to be quite the authority on something you don't care about?
If all the people who don't vote for the reasons you listed above (potentially 40% of the electorate last time around)went out and spoiled their papers their would be signigicant ripples in the political pond.
As it is, you just get added to the mass of knuckle draggers deemed too lazy, apathetic or stoopid to vote..... thumbs up!
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Yeah, but they're in a minority...
Democracy WIN, perhaps?
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As it is, you just get added to the mass of knuckle draggers deemed too lazy, apathetic or stoopid to vote..... thumbs up!
I completely agree. It's a travesty. I'm not lazy, apathetic or stupid and yet I'm linked in with these people by the ridiculous system I live in.
And guess what? I suspect I'm not the only one. Actually I suspect there are millions like me. But by all means you carry on listening to the lies you hear from the politicians mouths about apathetic and lazy members of the public, you're buying it so they're happy.
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Do you think anyone sits there wringing their hands over all the spoiled votes or do you think they just get thrown in the bin?
Neither. I think they're counted and included in the turnout, so you can quite clearly see how many are interested enough to vote but can't find anybody to vote for. Not that I think there's a lot wrong with sitting at home - you've contributed just about as much to the electoral process as a voter in Sheffield Brightside & Hillsborough has.Posted 2 years ago # -
Not that I think there's a lot wrong with sitting at home - you've contributed just about as much to the electoral process as a voter in Sheffield Brightside & Hillsborough has.
How do you figure that out aracer ?
A voter in Sheffield Brightside & Hillsborough has contributed one vote to the electoral process.
Someone who just sits at home, has contributed nothing at all to the electoral process.
Where's your logic ?
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Neither. I think they're counted and included in the turnout, so you can quite clearly see how many are interested enough to vote but can't find anybody to vote f
I've got quite a bit of respect for your views but I think you've got this one wrong. I bet most politicians don't even see how many slips are thrown away and simply don't consider anything that is spoiled. They don't see it as a political statement, just as someone how can't handle a pen. Even if 99% of people screwed up their vote, the politicians would still regard that as an obvious sign that the public were so thick they needed even more help from our elite polticial masters.
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agreed
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if 99% of people screwed up their vote, the politicians would still regard that as an obvious sign that the public were so thick
and they'd be right.
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they needed even more help
Yes they might try and educate people a little more as to the importance of politics and the impact that it can have on their lives. This would have the added benefit of people voting for policies not personalities and stop all the idiots on lower incomes who do turn out and vote blue.
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I think you've got this one wrong. I bet most politicians don't even see how many slips are thrown away and simply don't consider anything that is spoiled.
Not true. Every single spoilt ballot paper is counted.
There were 85,038 spoilt ballot papers at the last general election, which represented 0.31% of the total vote.
Although you're right that politicians are generally hugely unbothered about spoilt ballot papers .....hardly surprising really is it ?
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Sounds like we're pretty much in agreement then. Trouble is, if you vote, it won't make any difference. In fact the longer people vote, the longer politicians will think they're doing it right, which they're clearly not because almost half the people in Britain (what? 30 million?), don't think it's worth backing up.
In my job, if 40% of the people I did work for thought what I did wasn't even worth getting out of bed for, I'd get sacked.
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Although you're right that politicians are generally hugely unbothered about spoilt ballot papers .....hardly surprising really is it ? p
Not really, 85,000 is nothing is it? Although now you've pointed that out, I guess if 40 million deliberately spoiled their papers then that might be considered. And that's a fair point.
+1 to ernie.
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So, if there was a RON box (ReOpen Nominations), and RON won, just what do you suppose would happen? If 100% of us had to vote (like in Oz), and RON won more seats, just who would do the governing.
Whilst there is a lot of lying, boasting, embezzling, and generally being crap that goes on in parliament, at least having 650MPs discussing stuff is better than having 350MPs spending all their time trying to work out who to suggest to the electorate instead of RON
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I'm more concerned that people are voting, and encouraging others to feel honour bound to vote, for the best of a bad lot. If political parties are doing it all wrong to the extent where almost half the electorate feel it's not worth the effort, then some dramatic change is clearly needed. But that's not happening and if people are forced to vote then you can be damn sure it'll never change. I guess it'll never change anyway, looks like the Torys have won this time so they'll be too happy to care and Labour/Lib Dem will carry on blaming the apathetic voters who they percieve to exist rather than questioning *why* people would rather watch telly than choose who should run their country.
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questioning *why* people would rather watch telly than choose who should run their country.
Because a majority of the population has its concepts of priority so severely warped that the small matter of who runs the place doesn't matter to them. I think that's actually quite a simple answer. How to change their perception is quite another question.
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*why*
Because no matter what you individually feel their are a lot of people who are actually too ignorant, lazy and stooopid to vote. The paper thin excuse not to vote that 'they're all the same, the lying ****' is almost exclusively used by people who try not to think as it causes their brain to hurt, but you are the exception to this rule. Personally I'd rather pop down the polling station and wipe my arse with the ballot than be grouped with that sector of society.
I'd be interested to know the split of voters / abstainers (or not bothered) by educational attainment. I think you'd find that the more educated someone is the more likely they are to vote.
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A voter in Sheffield Brightside & Hillsborough has contributed one vote to the electoral process.
Yes, but how much influence does that vote have on the overall result of the election? I'd imagine the politicians pay just about as much attention to a vote there as they do to a spoiled ballot.Anyway, back to the original point, what we talk about now is the next election
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