what is the point? i just went to a class i used to go to a few years back, and we spent half the lesson training on how to disarm someone with a gun. Thing is they used to do this quite often. I honestly cant see the point, the likelehood of ever having a chance to use it is so slim. Then the other techniques they taught were just too fancy.

I guess i was spoilt having tuition with me a friend, and the tutor for a while… Maybe also cause i was just a bit stressed and just wanted to go and hit things as hard as i could.

I bet I could drop you before you got within 30 yards.

huh? in what way?

gun, knife, baton, its a weapon there getting you to disarm ( unless its a matrix move where you dodge the bullets first then rip it out of there hand!)

Its also good for flexibility and fitness

Tbh I've taught self defence for a long time, never done anything on guns

Have taught versus knife attack, and how to use your belt/keys in self defense though. Guns aren;t realistic unless your in the forces/police or maybe in an inner city gang?!

yeah, dt78's point is what i think. Maybe occasionally, but there's better things for reflexes etc. Defense against knives is good, but its hard as well. Batons etc are worth learning as well i think, just not guns.

I'll have to try to find a thai kickboxing class again or something, most seem to just be rubbish though 🙁

It would seem (from my experience) a lot of clubs these days are run as businesses and for profit rather than teaching the 'art'

Find an instructor and a club ethos that you enjoy, even if the instructor isn't the best you'll stick at it longer and learn more.

I remember going to the states in 2000 and first hearing about 'training' contracts – where people basically paid x amount of $ and were guaranteed a black belt by day y. Seriously what is the point other than profit?!

Anyway I'm wandering off topic 🙂

hah, yeah i have come across them. at one i went to look at the instructor kept on critiscising my kicks, as i refused to do it her way, it was utter rubbish. I cant explain why, but the 'black belts' kicks were like getting tickled. Nothing like a proper muay thai kick…

I teach also but prefer to show defense from knife/baton attacks etc. The guys I train like to play with replica guns for a bit of fun. Nothing wrong with that, I say. I like to have fun whilst learning and hopefully something will stay with them that could save them one day?

What about defence against a man armed with a banana?

if he has a banana, just do [anything[/b] he says…

Maybe i'm being a bit arsey here, but they do it so frequently, and take it so seriously…

geetee1972 – Member
What about defence against a man armed with a banana?

Just doesn't apeel.

…what's that? Oh, my coat, ok, thank you, I'll be going, then. 8)

hah, yeah i have come across them. at one i went to look at the instructor kept on critiscising my kicks, as i refused to do it her way, it was utter rubbish. I cant explain why, but the 'black belts' kicks were like getting tickled. Nothing like a proper muay thai kick…

maaaaaaan – u sounnd like a right ninja – I dunno why you bother with lessons now

🙄

my hubby teaches martial Art and has done for qbout 20 years…he has never taught 'How to disarm someone with a gun' !
yep there are lots of fancy moves but his lessons are based on 'blocking techniques'close contact techniques and self defence…. its very close to Bruce Lee kind of fighting. he has trained with a few well know 'masters' up and down the country…
(lyons) what part of the country are you in….

not a ninja :(, but this class was one where they said it will be x ammount to get this belt, x ammount for this, and it includes the uniform. The techniques were just not very good. Sorry, i was just in a bad mood earlier, and im sure lots of people enjoy that class.

Im in hertfordshire at the moment

whats the guy called that you trained with ?

What about defence against a man armed with a banana?

I thought the standard procedure in a situation where you are attacked by someone armed with fresh fruit, was to shoot them with a gun ?

I've done the disarming bit but to be fair the bloke showing it was an Israeli special forces guy who also showed some sentry take downs which were fun.

what if somebody comes at you with a pointed stick?

geetee1972 – Member

What about defence against a man armed with a banana?

What would you do if someone attacked you with a dildo?

Or 2 dildos?

what if somebody comes at you with a pointed stick?

Ooh, ooh, ooh; want to learn how to defend yourself against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh fruit not good enough for you, eh? Well let me tell you something lad! When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes after YOU with a bunch of loganberries, don't come cryin' to me!

Have you seen the film "Equilibrium"?

If someone is attacking you with two dildos, what happens to you if you lose?

To be frank, I'd be a lot more scared if someone attacked me with two dildos than if they attacked me with one gun.

Only defence against a banana is a pointed stick……….

Defence.

laine anne – Member

… its very close to Bruce Lee kind of fighting

Wing Chun?

Buzzlightyear – Member

Have you seen the film "Equilibrium"?

I wondered if someone would mention that. Cool film..

lyons – Member

if he has a banana, just do [anything[/b] he says…

Maybe i'm being a bit arsey here, but they do it so frequently, and take it so seriously…

I used to do a certain Kaze training years ago and one of the blokes used to reaalllllly get into the weapons training 30mins after the first hour. He was a copper too, and although i'm not sure he enjoyed it per-se, it still worried me a bit!

lyons Vs 5thElefant

5thElefant – Member
I bet I could drop you before you got within 30 yards.

lyons – Member
huh? in what way?

This way?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qXlFNYoyQg&feature=related

We once did defence against a knife with the assailant using a real knife. Although it was very controlled, the thought that the knife was real rather than a plastic training aide didn't half focus the mind. Probably resulted in the "assailant" being dealt with a little more robustly too.

Geez real knife!

In gradings we (used to) often replace the plastic knife with a permanent marker pen…. sounds sad but it's quite obvious it the 'knife' holder got you as you'll have black marker all over you and have to buy another suit 🙂

Oh yea, and different styles teach techniques in different ways for different reasons no one way is 'right' for all situations. I've done tkd, thai boxing, judo and wing chung all to varying levels. If you just stick to one style of kicking for instance you will limit yourself. The instructor would have had a reason for teaching you in that way – you should have asked why.

I do kendo, and I've never been attacked by anybody with a sword in real life, and I've just realized what a 'kin waste of money and ten years that's been.