The Daily Mail should seriously have to come with a big disclaimer notice on the front: ‘warning – this newspaper contains deliberate lies and distortions of a hateful right-wing nature’.

So am I right or wrong in my understanding that Troy Davis was one of the group that shot the policeman?
i.e. one of the group attacking the guy in the street who got struck on the head from behind and then ran behind the van shouting for help?

I know someone who writes a (non-political!) column for the Wail. She’s said that if her article is too positive, it gets sent back. She’s been told that things need to be negative in order to make the readers feel better about themselves.

Bloody awful, hateful paper.

But thats ALL papers.

Positive news doesn’t sell. There are the odd exception stories but for the main we need to be read about how bad the economy is doing etc etc.

Pal of mine works for the Mail too…..he’s a really good egg, isnt at all foaming reactionary. Havent the heart to abuse him but that really is an appalling article. Writes about an execution, illustrated by pictures of dead British kids. The whole nation gets to vomit over their corn flakes.

What if Troy Davis was guilty?

What if Troy Davis was guilty?

of murder; so killing people is wrong; so society kill him.

sounds f—– up to me.

So him and another guy attack a homeless dude, then one of the two executes a copper.
Theres confusion about who pulled the trigger, so maybe a double execution should have taken place.

boy oh boy, its sure not fashionable to be ‘right wing’ these days, is it.

I almost feel guilty for not being a socialist nut job.

i think when right wing people forward such well reasoned and eloquent posts calling opponents “nut jobs” it can only serve to redress this perception

well done

Theres confusion about who pulled the trigger, so maybe a double execution should have taken place.

whilst this does assure us we kill the guilty person it also assures us we kill someone innocent.
I hope that its a troll

of murder; so killing people is wrong; so society kill him.

sounds f—– up to me.

So what do you propose we do?

So what do you propose we do?

I know this is quite complicated, but I’m guessing…

Hmmm…

Not Kill Him?

whilst this does assure us we kill the guilty person it also assures us we kill someone innocent.

Collective punishment – what’s wrong with that?

its the punishing the innocent people bit.
Did you do that
No
Whack
that will teach them
It will never be implemented anywhere [ non totalitarian] for blindingly obvious reasons so why discuss it?

Collective punishment is the punishment of a group of people as a result of the behavior of one or more other individuals or groups. The punished group may often have no direct association with the other individuals or groups, or direct control over their actions. In times of war and armed conflict, collective punishment has resulted in atrocities, and is a violation of the laws of war and the Geneva Conventions. Historically, occupying powers have used collective punishment to retaliate against and deter attacks on their forces by resistance movements (e.g. destroying whole towns and villages where such attacks have occurred).

It will never be implemented anywhere

Well to be fair, the Romans did it.

Our circuits instructor made us all run a lap of the park because two girls couldn’t stop chit-chatting at the front. I can’t begin to describe the feeling of injustice 😐

I did not say it had never happened.

Bloody hell – like any of you actually think it is a good idea to kill 2 folk when you dont know which one did it.
Off to do more DIY

DD did you punish him by hitting another staff member there?

DD did you punish him by hitting another staff member there?

No, but good idea JY. You are a real “solutions” man 🙂

the pair of them are guilty of killing the copper.
as in the pair who killed Jamie Bulger. both sentenced for the crime.

How about this?

From the Ming (1368–1644) and Qing (1644–1912) Dynasties onward, the extent to which those within the family were exterminated was increased. Under the Hongwu Emperor (r. 1368 – 98), those committing rebellion and treason were punished by having their parents, grandparents, brethren (by birth, as well as “sworn brothers”), children, grandchildren, those living with the criminal regardless of surname, uncles and the children of brethren put to death, as well as death themselves by slow slicing or lingchi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_familial_exterminations

JY FYI collective action (it isnt called that cannot rember what its called – is it joint enterprise) is a concept in english law – like if you hung out with muggers and watched them but did not actually mug anyone you can still be held responsible.

Its beside the point, I’m against the death penalty. Full stop.

Capital Punishment is just wrong; premeditated state murder for the purposes of revenge not justice.

Democracy breeds over-simplied liberalism sadly.

Democracy breeds over-simplied liberalism sadly.

Deep. 😐

shame it doesn’t seem to breed literacy

Interesting comment in that Mail article

What is the life of James Bulger worth (what little there was; he was tortured and murdered at the age of two)? Robert Thompson and Jon Venables not only didn’t get life — they got new lives at a cost of millions to the taxpayer.

Venables is only back in prison because he was convicted for downloading child porn.
Did the scales of justice really balance in these cases?

Implying we should be executing not just minors but kids of 10?

JY

Common purpose or Joint Enterprise
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_purpose
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/apr/26/guilty-of-being-in-wrong-crowd
http://www.criminallawandjustice.co.uk/index.php?/Analysis/joint-enterprise-liability.html
http://www.criminallawandjustice.co.uk/index.php?/Analysis/reform-of-joint-enterprise-principles-for-murder.html

Nick blackberry provides my literacy 😉

In a country that has a very active 5th Amendment you REALLY do need the ultimate sanction.

See it as a escalation of our own society. If we were awash with gun ownership we too would have some hardnose punishments wouldn’t we?

JonR their effective punishment turned out to be partly ineffective.

Liberal society states we should always give someone a chance to redeem themselves but murder is unredeemable. At least in my eyes. How can you rehabilitate someone to be like me or you when they have no concept of me or you?

how can you say murder is wrong then murder someone for it?
That is the whole point we dont have the same moral code unless we both murder