Indeed the green one (possibly 2010?) looks like a horse compared to the yellow carbon above. There is a lot of seat tube above the cross bar on the new carbon one which does make it a neater looking bike.
Transition Covert - pics and experiences please.
Definitely. I know I shouldn't be so concerned about looks, but I intend to keep this frame for a fait while, especially as its the most I've ever spent on a frame. Not only does it need to ride well, I want it to look nice.
Some large bikes pull it off but others just look like gates. The large Rune is a better looking bike than the green Covert. Pink Bike didn't seem to like the Covert much but loved the Rune. The UK press seem to like the Covert a lot though.
PinkBike's Covert review was more focused onthe full build, they specifically had problems withthe front end being too high/light - Transition had specced a 50mm rise bar - that doesn't suit the bike, IMO. Some people like a high front end for DH, but low rise works on 160 forks for a reason
How a bike feels is a lot to do with things like bars, stem, tyres - even tyre pressures and grips etc.
Never mind personal preferance for set up and suspension tweaks. I tend to take bike reviews as mostly fiction.
How does it handle on the technical stuff? Like tight switchbacks and so on?
Drooling over a Covert in yellow, but it will be years before I can afford one.
it handles nadgery stuff very well as its not too slack and having a short stem and wide(ish) bar keeps it nimble. but with the new shocks i think it will be better as probably not sitting as low in its travel so less likely to get pedal strikes etc. and a bit more sprightly
I'm building a black one so can wait to find out how the BOS shock works with it.
The covert front end is a bit light on steep climbs and does want to pop up with the downstroke of the pedal on the steepest climbs, but its not a problem to keep it under control. I've got used to this now and find it useful to get over obstacles on technical climbs. I can get over stuff on this bike that would have me off and walking on other bikes I've had, it certainly doesn't affect the bikes DH ability though and you can really lean off the back of it. The bike is super manoeuvrable on tight switchbacks and technical terrain (and mine is the 29er which according to the anti-29er brigade shouldn't be able to do manoeuvrability). The more I ride it the more I love it. Nothing seems to phase it. It flatters the rider.
My mates looking at the Rhune and he's going to organise a test ride soon, so I'd be interested to compare.
I'm still really torn. One minute I'm buying a Rune, then it's a Covert because it's a bit lighter and not quite as slack, then it's back to the Rune and so on. The Covert looks like the more complete design with regards to cable routing - it can look pretty messy on the Rune. I'll ride them and make a quickish decision or I'll think about it too long.
Someone else has said buy a Rocket, which admittedly I do like but I'm trying to keep it down to two or it'll cost me a fortune in demo bike fees.
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I must admit i'm a bit confused as to the benefits of the Carbon Covert. According to the Transition website the frame weight is identical to its Alloy equivalent.
Not sure which websit you're looking at, but I see the Carbon listed at 6.9 lbs / 3.15 kg (Medium Frame With Rear Shock) and the alloy at 7.68 lbs / 3.49 kg (Medium Frame With Rear Shock)
It's half a pound heavier than a Mojo HD, and more compared to a Nomad. Bit disappointing, considering the massive price difference between the alloy and the carbon that there isn't more weight saving between the two. Maybe it's a sign that they've erred on the side of strength for their first carbon bike.
Once you've been up and down the Long Mynd a couple of times you'll get a good idea. I didn't find Rune heavy whilst.
They must have updated the Transition website then. I looked at it a few months ago and it was definitely reporting the same frame weight as the alloy version. I even showed some mates as we were comparing carbon vs alloy frame weights across a number of different bikes ( was a boring day at work that day!).
Bump for more pictures. I really need this bike in my life, but I am struggling to justify the £800 markup on the frame alone the UK retailers want to impose.
After the carbon Coverts by the way!
Thought I'd bring this thread back to life now I have ridden both bikes...
Annoyingly, I liked them both!
First up was the Banshee which despite being in its slackest setting still went up the hills ok, but was a total hoot on the way back down. It just encourages you to hit everything flat out and feels very smooth. I'd probably run it in the neutral setting so it was a tad steeper. It didn't feel like a heavy bike and pedalled pretty well. The downsides were that I did catch the pedals a few times and the Fox CTD shock which I thought was a bit naff; it would definitely need volume reducing spacers. Being so slack it was hard to manual and not that easy to bunny hop but it did feel a bit alien because I'm so used to my bike set up. Overall though,very impressed with it.
Next up was the Covert, when I jest got on it I thought that it was a one horse race...I didn't really like it. The medium is too short for me, I'd definitely need a large. I know I'm only looking for a frame but the build didn't do it any favours; basic Monarch shock, Avid Elixir brakes which were hateful, didn't like the bars etc. However the more I rode it, the more I liked it. It climbed a bit better than the Rune despite bring a tad heavier but wasn't quite as confidence inspiring when charging down stuff although it felt more playful and easier to pop off roots etc. The Lyriks were noticeably stiffer than the 34's on the Rune and didn't dive so much.
So, I've got some thinking to do. At the moment, the Rune is probably edging it a bit and I think the aesthetics may swing it...the large ali Coverts look a bit like a farm gate. The ano black Rune looks really smart too.
Based on today, I'm not sold on the Fox CTD stuff. The rear shock felt like a step backwards from my DHX Air (mine has been pretty good despite most people hating them) and for once I found myself agreeing with the mags about the 34 forks because they really do blow through their travel.
The riding at Long Mynd is great and the views were amazing today. I couldn't believe how quiet it was either; I saw very few people despite the ace weather although those long climbs had me sweating like a pig.
Hey Mindmap3, Cheers for the write up... Not sure its helped
Im still impatiently waiting to get fixed and get out on the Covert myself. Sounds like you'd definitely want to go with the CCDB can over the fox, thats what i'd planned on doing if Rune was the one.
The Covert is a great bike but I'm going with the Rune with a CCDBa partly because it hides it's size better and partly because it felt faster and smoother in the downs. The fact that I've got a good deal in the frame, headsetand aaxle adapters for my rear wheel helped too.
The geometry is also suitably different to my SX so makes it worthwhile. The Covert is fairly similar. Part if me feels bad for not getting the Covert because the guys from Plush Hill Cycles were so friendly and helpful.
Let me know if you've got any parti questions and I'll do my best to answer them.
I'd be interestiled to hear your thoughts on how the bikes compare when your fixed.
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