Should he have our support? Should British troops have had your support for killing 100 000* Iraqui civilians?
If I thought he could mentally handle it I'd love to pass that on to Graham. Sadly I think he bears enough of a burden as it is.
I try very hard not to fall out with people on STW, we're all riders and share a good thing.
You however seem to be a bit of a w'nker.
(sorry if that's a bit harsh)
"Changed their minds" was a compliment. There's even a saying:
Il n'y a que des imbéciles qui ne changent pas d'avis. Only fools don't change their mind.
I agree with much of what you say ernie_lynch, I wasn't the only one to opose the war on STW and not the only one flamed. Why "elite minority" and not just minority? Two post above suggest there are still those who will support British troops whatever atrocities they are ordered to commit - Billyboulders and Mathewjb.
Proud to support them.
Ashamed of the people who are sending them to war in "our name"
Thanks for your opinion
Why "elite minority" and not just minority?
Because that's how it came across to me ..........you argued from a superior analysis of the situation - and everybody else argued against you.
I'm glad to hear that it wasn't quite like that 
What has masturbation got do do with this subject Billy? You are of course correct, I do, as do most men of healthy body and sound mind.
I was looking for a fairly tame insult and that's the one I chose, this is a public forum after all.
My email is in my profile if you'd like to get a bit more "choice"
Your arguments are valid and I would like to apologise for lowering to insults, as you say an 89 year old man is currently being tried for "following orders" Same as my brother is as we speak, the other day we were speaking on the 'phone and he was telling me how he felt like shi't 'cos he and his crew were pinned down in a firefight and he reckons he might have accidentally shot a donkey that wandered across the hill in front of them. He knows the difference between wrong and right. I would never presume to speak for him but I am sure he won't be on trial in 60 years time. The same as the many thousands of German nationals our grandfathers age who were just general guys caught up in something alot bigger than they ever had control of are not.
We should pay to keep our ex-leaders safe, no matter what they've done or not done in office, as a matter of principle.
I suspect that Blair has done some lasting damage in the trust between the people and future governments, when it comes comes to foreign policy issues.
I suspect you're right.
Apology accepted Billy.
You'll note I haven't refered to the Afghan situation that I regard as misguided rather than illegal. I still can't offer support to your brother for being there but I sincerely hope that he gets out alive. I've worked with British troops and I'm confident he does know the difference between right or wrong. I'll support him 100% if ever he is court martialled for refusing to obey orders rather than do something wrong.
We should pay to keep our ex-leaders safe, no matter what they've done or not done in office, as a matter of principle.
Agreed, to an extent, I am no fan (at all) of Thatcher but accept that if she chose (and was able, I know she is a very ill old lady) to go to Glyncorrwg for example, where she would most definitely not be welcome, on a public visit the security bill would come from the public purse. But should we pay a disproportionate amount (becouse many millions around the world hold them personally responsible for war crimes) for them to jet around the world earning themselves a personal fortune of many millions as Blair does. Especially as he could probably afford to contribute toward it.
(I don't know that he doesn't contribute, haven't been able to find out and I don't think a google search of "Tony Blairs security arrangements" would do much good anyway)
We should try to keep them safe no matter what they do, because we need strong leaders who are not afraid to make unpopular decisions if necessary. After they have done their stint, we owe it to them to let them do whatever they want (within the law!), again as a matter of principle.
Two post above suggest there are still those who will support British troops whatever atrocities they are ordered to commit - Billyboulders and Mathewjb.
That wasn't what I was suggesting. Just pointing out that the decision and blame for going to war lies elsewhere from the soldier in the field.
It's too late to go into more detail. Off to bed.
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