Notaspoon, Glad the curry was ok, manflu and haddock down here, now back to debating.
. There was no way I was expecting a cyclist doing ~22mph to be on the road where I'd happily been cruising allong at ~70mph for the last 3 hours,
... god knows what kind of shock some of the repmobiles doing 90 would be getting coming accross either cyclists or car drivers that have braked to 30 and swerved out into the fast lane to avoid cyclists?
I don't know this course but I'll be out this evening doing the warning signs on a dc course, you can't get onto the course without passing a warning cycling event sign, I would hope it is the same there, so why aren't motorists looking at road signs?
car drivers that have braked to 30 and swerved out into the fast lane to avoid cyclists?
Back to poor driving, if you can see cars swerving, brakelights why are other motorists not able to adapt their driving plan for a perceived hazard. As has been mentioned there is always a risk of debris etc so why are people driving with little room for error.
It just struck me as incredibly stupid, selfish and iresponsible. If you did anything similarly dangerous at work it'd be banned and I'd be lucky not to get fired for gross misconduct!
So doing something, which is legal, has been risk assessed, has warning measures put in place and which the participant & organiser feels is safe to do is s,s&i because motorists can't drive properly and use fairly basic observation skills? Bit of a transfer of responsibility. At work I do things which normal memebers of the public, and indeed myself on occassion might think are dangerous things but the risks are minimised and up until recently I loved my job and nowadays I am paid to do it so i get on with it. Life is full of risk.
I would never do a TT on a dual carriageway. The speed differential is just too great.
As has been mentioned the speed difference may be a little greater - not that that's going to make any difference if they're trying to remove a 40 tonne Scania from just behind your ear if you get hit - but dc course have better sight lines and more room for overtaking. The cheekiest tt course I've ever done was a single carriageway course in Surrey - I wouldn't go on it again and I ride dc course throughout the summer with no qualms because they're safer roads.
jameso - I was being a bit provocative but if you want to off somebody running them over seems to be the way to go for minimal payback.
i'd prefer a quieter road and a 'sporting' tt rather than chasing sub-20s. Riding among 80mph traffic seems bonkers
Jesus I wish I was chasing sub 20's, i'm there for the post race cake. I've no problem with sporting tt's our club runs a sporting 14 as it's open tt but where I am the vast majority of open TT's in summer are on safe DC courses. I think I've covered perceived risk on dc course v sporting courses.
Brownbacks. My point was not to have a dig at mtb races or people injured but as to what society accepts as acceptable risk taking, if people are being airlifted or stretchered off hill sides at potentialy considerble cost through either rider error or mechanical failure there might be an argument from non-participants as lumping that in as an activity that is stupid, selfish and irresponsible. However as you say it's risk assessed, actualy reasonably safe otherwise your risk assesment would call for the activity to cease, down to the organiser / individuals choice and presumably legal which is what I'm saying about tt'ing
A'm now going to shave my legs and get my lycra skinsuit and bike ready for tonight if the manflu disipates, if you're driving along the Holmwood bypass / A24 tonight look out for a safe 2up club TT, feel free to wave, point, etc