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this here Police sending threatening letters to innocent protestors
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well as i now work at a uni Ive had the chance to see the start of the demo from here
and all i saw was a lot of students who really are pissed off at the government privatising education in this country,
they know its got nothing to do with defecit reduction and everything to do with right wing ideology and worshiping the american way of doing thingsa lot of them were very angry, I wouldnt be surprised if it did kick off later and I cant say I blame them
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Kimbers you work at UoL? We'll have to meet up for a STW drinks soon.
Keep us informed on events. I may toddle down later once I've done me stuffs here.
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My granddad fought for the right not go get a letter in the post telling you not to break the law did he?
I love this suggestion that what criminals need is a letter from the police telling them not to engage in criminality ! Perhaps they should extend this strategy, since it's such a good idea, to all known criminals ..... and watch the crime rate plummet !!It's pretty clear that the aim of writing letters to individuals is to intimidate otherwise law-abiding people not to attend because the police have 'their eye on them. It's a fairly standard sort of strategy that you would expect in a country which is a police state and which intimidates and frightens its people not to protest against the government. It has no place in the UK.
Likewise the threat of rubber bullets and the injuries associated with them - it's a clear message to parents, if not to the young people concerned, not to attend as they might get hurt.
Of course none of this will make an iota of difference to the "rent-a-mob" who I am reliably informed by a copper on here are the only people behind any violence. A letter warning them not to misbehave will obviously have no effect on them, nor will the threat of rubber bullets - why would it ?
The sort of society in which the police threatens those who wish to protest might the sort of society which people like Z-11 want, but I certainly don't. And it is fundamentally hostile to British values.
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Now now boys
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The sort of society in which the police threatens those who wish to protest might the sort of society which people like Z-11 want, but I certainly don't. And it is fundamentally hostile to British values.
The sort of society where people feel free to commit random and extreme acts of violence and damage property without fear of punishment, due to the protection of anonymity within a crowd of peaceful protesters is the thing which is fundamentally hostile to British values Ernie!
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Will the police be writing letters to all the MPs reminding them not to defraud the taxpayer
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How about letters to the police reminding them to stay within the law? - no kettling for example to say nothing of reminding them to keep their ID on their uniforms as they are supposed to.
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check out this one z11 heres a vid of a police officer murdering an obviously dangerous protester!
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The sort of society where people feel free to commit random and extreme acts of violence and damage property without fear of punishment, due to the protection of anonymity within a crowd of peaceful protesters is the thing which is fundamentally hostile to British values Ernie!
And it's also a society which we don't have, you daft fantasist
Yes I know that having posters on street corners saying "Big Brother Is Watching You" would be fine by you because only those who were up to no good would have anything to worry about, law-abiding citizens would be fine, but most normal people don't want to live in your Orwellian world.
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well i think the game is about to begin. Kettles forming, people covering their faces, a few little 'sacrifical' groups moving in opposite directions.
I'm quite proud of our undergraduates actually. It takes inventiveness and balls to go up against the police and government.
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Rusty Spanner - Member
Do you know, it's years since I got done for speeding - probably around 28. But every time I go out on the roads, I keep coming across these "Speed Cameras operate in this area" type of signs. Why do they keep reminding me that it's a good idea not to break the law?
In a similar vein, why not send a letter to Ken Dodd before every gig reminding him to pay tax on his earnings and put it in the bank rather than stuffing it all in a suitcase in his attic?Posted 6 months ago # -
Well I'm stood on Whitehall an nothing is going on
TJ will be encouraged to know we are all displaying our numerals
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check out this one z11 heres a vid of a police officer murdering an obviously dangerous protester!
i) I thought that according to the Grauniad, Tomlinson wasn't a protester, he was a sweet and innocent newspaper setter trying to make his way home
ii) Murder? Are you sure - can you support an allegation of murder? can't see anybody's been charged with murder
Seems you're applying a double standard here - the sweet and innocent protesters who were arrested are innocent, and shouldn't get letters because they've never been prosecuted, but the evil policeman is a murderer, even though he has not been prosecuted for that offence
no kettling for example to say nothing of reminding them to keep their ID on their uniforms as they are supposed to.
Kettling is not illegal, nor is it a legal requirement to wear their ID - more double standards! You constantly complain that people are being punished for not breaking the law, but expect to be able to complain about the police doing nothing wrong.
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Z11, kettling can be illegal, and was judged as such in the case of the G20 protests.
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Kato - Member
Well I'm stood on Whitehall an nothing is going on
TJ will be encouraged to know we are all displaying our numerals
Nice one - good luck. The plod ( can I say that) on the ground I feel sympathy for - their bosses far less so
Zulu - they are supposed to wear ID at all times
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“The policy of the Met Police is very clear. The public have the right to be able to identify any uniformed police officer and so badges should be worn at all times. We support the Commissioner's decision to hold officers to account when they purposely conceal their identity.”
The Home Office also criticised officers who fail to wear their epaulettes, insisting the “public has a right to be able to identify” them.
A Home Office spokesman said: “We welcome the Commissioner's statement that all uniformed police officers should be identifiable at all times by their shoulder identification numbers, and wholly agree that the public has a right to be able to identify any uniformed officers while performing their duties.”
A Yard spokesman said: “Where provided, epaulettes with identifying letters and numerals or insignia of rank must be worn and must be correct and visible at all times.
“It is the responsibility of all police officers, and their supervisors, to ensure this policy is followed.”
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Reports and photos of plain clothed officers bundling people from the protest for no reason...
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kettling can be illegal
Thats not the same thing as kettling is illegal though, is it?
Driving a car can be illegal - doesn't mean we're not allowed to do it on a daily basis though, does it?
they are supposed to wear ID at all times
all uniformed police officers should be identifiable at all times
to ensure this policy is followed.
Again, thats not the same thing, is it now TJ? its not illegal for them not to, its just against force policy, well, whoop de doo. We're allowed to do anything that the law does not prohibit us from doing.
Double Standards!
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Good luck, Kato, and my thanks to you and all your colleagues for the work you do.
Also, beer sometime.....! Needs to be done!
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It wasn't intended as insensitive, as you would have realised if you had the capacity to think for yourself, and I removed it as soon as I realised it might be misinterpreted (which it was, by a few thick idiots). It was 'thinking out loud' which was ill-judged. I admitted my mistake and made efforts to rectify the situation.
Hang on, that's not even remotely true. If it weren't for the "few thick idiots" (there was more than a few of us) you would have left that (totally out of order and insensitive) post where it was without a hint of conscience. There was no apology or admittance of being wrong (until now) just a blame on everyone else for misinterpreting. Lacking humility.
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Dont understand your rant read the beginning of the opening letter.
: "It is in the public and your own interest that you do not involve yourself in any type of criminal or antisocial behaviour. We have a responsibility to deliver a safe protest which protects residents, tourists, commuters, protesters and the wider community. Should you do so we will at the earliest opportunity arrest and place you before the court."
Think the above is fair
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There was no apology or admittance of being wrong
he did immediately on the thread in question - deleted the comment and apologised iirc
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deleted the comment and apologised iirc
He said he stood by the comments on this very thread!
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Hang on, that's not even remotely true. If it weren't for the "few thick idiots" (there was more than a few of us) you would have left that (totally out of order and insensitive) post where it was without a hint of conscience.
You're wrong, but carry on believing what you want about a person you don't even know.
Anyway, as I've said; done and dusted. Move on; I have.
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Well the media coverage seems to have been about the policing of the protest, the reasons for the protest barely seem to have got a mention, so its a victory for the politicians.
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And we now know that though it was possible to set up camp in Tahrir Square when the Egyptian police state was at it's worst, it isn't possible to do that in the UK because our police state is so much more effecient, and has better PR.
The UK spring is on permanent hold...
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And we now know that though it was possible to set up camp in Tahrir Square when the Egyptian police state was at it's worst, it isn't possible to do that in the UK because our police state is so much more effecient, and has better PR.
The UK spring is on permanent hold...
Edited because while I don't agree with the above, upon rereading my reply seemed sarkier than required!
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I see things as they are, not as They would want you to believe them to be.
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ohnohesback - Member
I see things as they are, not as They would want you to believe them to be.Do you have your own theme music as you walk down the street?
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Do you have your own theme music as you walk down the street?
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As a matter of fact I do...
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Looks like it all went well, lessons learned from last time on both sides.
As for the Thahrir square reference, that's just silly.
The UN estimated 300 people died in Tahrir square you **** wit.Posted 6 months ago # -
Without clicking on a youtube link at work...
The clash; I fought the law?
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