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  • this here Police sending threatening letters to innocent protestors
  • hora
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    IanMunro, it wasn’t me it was those facist rocks and racist earth throwing themselves at us with glee and gusto. Sadly brother Lyrik fell down injured and we had to carry him back from the facist rocks.

    (At no point had my own hands anything to do with it)

    JPR
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    Especially when pathetic young men drop fire extinguishers down onto someone just doing their job.

    Interesting use of a plural.

    hora
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    No its my schooling.

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    binners
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    What’s it like being you? What goes on in your head?

    Have you ever watched Being John Malcovich? We could open your head up as a theme park. Children could be scared into submission by parents

    “Any more of that carry on and you’re going for 10 minutes in Hora’s head! If you’re particularly unlucky you could get caught up in one of his Neo-Fascist flights of Eugenics fantasy””

    “Oh dear God No! Sorry dad! Not that!!! I really will be good from now on! Sorry! Sorry!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!”

    hora
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    Right thats my MTV-generation attention span gone.

    D0NK
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    so you go to a protest get arrested but are released without charge (because you did nothing wrong) then just before another protest you get a letter saying “we’ve got our eye on you. If you go to the protest you may get hurt” I’d say that’s pretty threatening and intimidating yeah.

    hora
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    Donk:

    have been sent to anyone arrested with previous public disorder offences even if they were later cleared or charges were dropped.

    but you are assuming all of those who received the letter were released without charge.

    Without knowing the facts (and looking atthe article) maybe the Guardian Journo didn’t bother to ask for figures- maybe a sizeable majority of those who received the letters were arrested and charged with public offences or are awaiting trial on these?

    Maybe you are reading too much into what is a very short inflammatory and potentially misleading article. Lazy Journalism anyone?

    On a non-forum note. In my first job my MD cautioned me about making assumptions based on limited information ‘always find out more before making a decision on something’.

    You pick up any newspaper and the angles of the majority of the stories can be shocking. Rather than straight forward reporting of the facts there seems to be a twist to ‘sex up’ an event. No newspaper is free from this. The media so far has blamed everyone for the M5 crash without actually reporting what has happened and waiting for the Police (yeah them Feds again) releasing the findings of the investigation.

    Zulu-Eleven
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    so you go to a protest get arrested but are released without charge (because you did nothing wrong)

    the two things don’t necessarily go together though do they 🙄

    Frankly, I hope the police do use Baton rounds!

    I’ll be the guy on the corner with a big bag of Duracell batteries 😈

    D0NK
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    even if they were later cleared or charges were dropped.

    so they’ve done nothing wrong then. even if the arresting officer reckons they’re dodgy characters in the eyes of the law they are innocent.

    the two things don’t necessarily go together though do they

    even if they did something wrong but there’s no evidence they’re still innocent. It’s a thing we have in this country.

    Sancho
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    and what do you intend to do with a bag of batteries?

    v8ninety
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    I’ll be the guy on the corner with a big bag of Duracell batteries

    I’m sure that’s tongue in cheek, but if not then hopefully you’ll be one of the ones getting letters next time. At the very least.

    zokes
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    but you are assuming all of those who received the letter were released without charge

    It doesn’t matter if all-but-one of those who received a letter were convicted. That one person has a right to attend peaceful protest unmolested. For that matter, those who were convicted and have served their allotted sentence also deserve that privilege. This is how justice should operate….

    hora
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    These fellas have been stopped/served their ‘time’ – should they receive letters?

    http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/Kerb-crawlers-beware-Gloucestershire-police-send/story-13598413-detail/story.html

    Sancho
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    The letter was sent to people who the police knew were at the last protest (through them having been arrested on the day las time)
    It is advising them of what will happen if the demonstration turns in to a riot and people start breaking the law (again) Basically the police wont sit back and let it happen like last time.

    Which seems fair enough.

    zokes
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    Seems the police are illiterate anyway – you conclude a letter to a non-specific addressee “yours faithfully”…

    Zulu-Eleven
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    Don’t really recall the Guardianista’s being up in arms over football hooligans being banned from international travel, despite having “served their time”

    http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2010/06/10/known-football-hooligans-arrested-in-world-cup-crackdown-97319-26622819/

    hora
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    Its proactive Policing. Yes it can be seen as robust however would you prefer a reminder to be good or alot of people getting hurt due to a violent minority?

    Would you like to go to a peaceful demonstration and a minority kick off/antagonise the Police?

    How many potential protesters are put off by images of the previous demonstrations?

    Would we be looking at an awesome turnout which would make people stop and think ‘**** thats alot of people who don’t like what is happening on the topic’.

    The minority ruin it for the rest and lets face it – if your kicking off you get arrested don’t you. Why would you be innocent stood right at the front as kicks and fights are happening? You get out of the way.

    They are hardly bloody innocent the recipients. Bleating bloody idiots.

    D0NK
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    Basically the police wont sit back and let it happen like last time.

    Which seems fair enough. no, police publicly saying “we will be robustly policing this demo with a zero tolerance towards aggression” or other flowery **** gets the message across. Writing to people personally is intimidation.

    zokes
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    Innocent until proven guilty. It’s not such a difficult concept to grasp. Or maybe it is…

    Sancho
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    I disagree damn a post got in between the one I was disagreeing with.

    But yes agree innocent until proven guilty, however remember a lot of protesters were arrested and charged, its just that they decided not to pursue the case.
    which dosent make you innocent.
    It reminds me of a bike thief arrested with about five bikes in his shed all being sold on ebay, and stolen from the local area.
    He wasnt charged with the crime of burglary or handling stolen goods as the punishment for the two is worthless in the court.
    he was charge for posession of Class A.
    That makes him innocent of burglary and handling stolen goods.

    Its a great judicial system isnt it.

    D0NK
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    anyone got the wrongful arrest figures for any police force in this country?

    hora
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    Innocent until proven guilty

    You don’t get arrested for standing still/not acting aggressively though do you. I’ve been in a demonstration in London- only a minority kicked off whilst everyone else stood WELL back. I saw people pulled away by Police and they sure weren’t the well behaved ones.

    zokes
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    I disagree

    Which bit? If it’s the former, might I suggest you move somewhere more aligned with your views?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15646057

    TandemJeremy
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    hora – Member

    Innocent until proven guilty

    You don’t get arrested for standing still/not acting aggressively though do you.

    Many people have been.

    D0NK
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    You don’t get arrested for standing still/not acting aggressively though do you

    I believe all the peaceful protesters at the sit in in fortnum and masons got arrested, 109 of whom had charges dropped. Yes it was kicking off outside but not inside. Police said “there’s trouble outside why don’t you leave peacefully out the back”, OK said peaceful protestors, line of coppers and police vans waiting for them. Nice.

    hora
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    So if alot of people came into your place of work and refused to leave leading to you losing money what would be your response?

    They’d say ‘we are staging a sit in’. You’d say you are blocking my business from making money. I imagine F&M sent home alot of their hourly-paid staff that day.

    hora
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    On a wider scale. What I don’t understand is why don’t you all relocate to Russian/the socialist paradise if England is too much of a Police state? 😆

    Oh the irony.

    Elfinsafety
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    Frankly, I hope the police do use Baton rounds!

    I’ll be the guy on the corner with a big bag of Duracell batteries

    Oh dear. More wibbling from the resident violent fantasist. 🙄

    What are you angry about, Labby? What are you really angry about?

    Was it the bigger boys at school? Is it all their fault?

    D0NK
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    So if alot of people came into your place of work and refused to leave leading to you losing money what would be your response?

    I’d have a think about all the tax I’d been avoiding paying.

    Besides that’s another issue, you said

    You don’t get arrested for standing still/not acting aggressively though do you

    I merely pointed out an example where you do.

    ohnohesback
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    Some people understand the issues involved with civil rights, unfortunately many more don’t.

    Lifer
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    hora – Member

    On a wider scale. What I don’t understand is why don’t you all relocate to Russian/the socialist paradise if England is too much of a Police state?

    Oh the irony.

    What’s ironic?

    D0NK
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    rain on yourwedding day?

    Zulu-Eleven
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    Not really angry Elfin – just hoping against hope that one of our resident wolfie smith left wing bleeding hearts might catch a D cell to the knapper and get some sense knocked into him 😉

    Here’s hopin, eh!

    DOnk – nope, thats just unlucky 😀

    Sancho
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    I dont think people are quite remembering how violent the last “protest” was.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1370053/TUC-anti-spending-cuts-protest-200-arrested-500k-march-cut.html
    just look at some of the pictures.
    I dont read the daily mail so dont start the usual rubbish, just look at the pictures.
    It was mental last time and I hope the police dont allow it to happen again.
    I mean I hope the peaceful protesters also dont allow this to happen again.

    Elfinsafety
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    Not really angry Elfin

    Yeah right. You keep telling yourself that, maybe one day you’ll believe it.

    Truth be told though, although you constantly fantasise about violence, you probably never actually get involved in any. Have you ever bin in a proper fight/extreme violent situation?

    hora
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    Sancho those won’t be the peaceful protesters that were arrested. Those will be undercover Police operatives that staged events.

    When I worked in central London and Police first did the ‘unjust kettling’.

    I was trapped in work for hours because of the violent rioting. The Police got us out and over the hours that followed the rioters were penned in and kettled. I **** thought justice has been done. Funny as they’d done their days protesting and now wanted to go home to their tea but now it was them inconvenienced.

    BTW- innocents caught in that particular kettling? No, the Police told us there was a breakaway violent section that had smashed up Topshop/Regents st etc and they’d been caught/contained. So the media falsely reported that bit.

    The Police that got us out looked scared, exhausted and shot.

    D0NK
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    just look at some of the pictures.

    saved by tea and kittens again, phew!
    I remember, some dispicable stuff being done by a minority I’ll wholeheartedly back the judicial system to arrest and convict them. But intimidating people prior to the event to try and reduce numbers, nah that’s not on.

    RustySpanner
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    Funny, always the right whingers who lose the mask of civility and wish violence against those they disagree with.

    Basic lack of intelligence or a realisation that you can’t win a rational debate? 😉

    Zulu-Eleven
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    Elfin – yep!

    Like the time I shot a man, in Reno, just to watch him die…

    hora
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    I’m working class Rusty.

    I didn’t blame Thatcher for my childhood and I don’t blame the Bankers for my adult life.

    I control and affect my under destiny.

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