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  • Premier Icon darrell
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    as reported in the Guardian

    is it me or this another sign of the politicisation of the Police force and to be honest a bit out of order.

    Any of our friendly police STWers care to comment

    rogg
    Member

    The police met haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory over the last year or so. Fair enough sending the letters to those convicted of public order offences, but not otherwise. Effectively they’re just saying ‘you think you got away with it last time, but we’re still watching you’.
    And as for threatening to use baton rounds on school kids…people have a right to protest, peacefully. Threatening violence before the event isn’t acceptable from either ‘side’.

    Sancho
    Member

    It seems to me that the police are simply setting out what will happen if they try and break off and start smashing shops etc.

    The police last time allowed the students to run riot, and basically they are now telling them that if you try it again you’ll get f*cked.

    and its about time they did.
    Peaceful protest no one has a problem with, attacking property, the police etc, then its time the police rseponded and gave them a kicking they wont forget.

    as for people who havent got convictions, they got let off last time, hopefully the CPS and Police will do a better job next time and hopefully the students wont allow their march to be overtaken by activists looking for a fight.

    TandemJeremy
    Member

    Its a clear attempt to intimidate people not to attend and is bang out of order.
    it will backfire in two ways
    1) that its been shown that they do keep records on people not even charged and 2) that more people will attend as a result.

    rogg
    Member

    as for people who havent got convictions, they got let off last time

    or very possibly were innocent in the first place, and so were found not guilty. But **** it, guilt by association, kettle the lot of them. 🙄

    yossarian
    Member

    If you work for the police these days your real employer is whichever political party is in office.

    This opinion is not intended to denigrate the commitment of PC’s across the country, rather to acknowledge that Senior Police Officers have become pawns in a political game that exists to serve politicians not us.

    Sancho
    Member

    It’s not intimidation, its just setting out what the consequences of illegal activity are.

    TandemJeremy
    Member

    Of course it is intended to intimidate. thats the whole aim of it.

    crankboy
    Member

    “as for people who haven’t got convictions, they got let off last time, hopefully the CPS and Police will do a better job next time” eh ?

    The people who haven’t got convictions did not get let off there was no evidence they had done any wrong. Hopefully the police will do a better job and not arrest people without evidence and will not arrest for political reasons rather than public order reasons .

    geebus
    Member

    Seems perfectly reasonable to me considering the amount of mindless violence/rioting we’ve seen before.
    A letter reminding people not to do illegal stuff shouldn’t be a big issue for those not intending to break the law.

    Ok, I appreciate the police don’t always play it by the book either (sadly have personal experience of this), but considering the ‘cost’ of previous’ protests, any way to get them brought down seems to make sense.

    Not having a conviction does not mean you are innocent.
    Just as I have been successfully prosecuted for something a traffic offence I was not guilty, I was also not prosecuted despite admitting to doing 115mph while undertaking (I was then chased a tad over 10 miles without realising – was on a motorbike).

    grum
    Member

    It’s not intimidation, its just setting out what the consequences of illegal activity are.

    I was under the impression we had things called ‘laws’ which do that. I didn’t realise we individually threatened people who haven’t been convicted of anything.

    yossarian
    Member

    It’s not intimidation, its just setting out what the consequences of illegal activity are.

    Haha, course it’s not. Neither was the press release about baton rounds was it? Met are being told what to do by Whitehall, and the farce continues unabated. Funnily enough all this ridiculous posturing is creating a generation of politically active students who are using a bit of guile and some direct action to make themselves heard. Is this the big society kicking in or the unintentional consequence of a clumsy attempt to intimidate?

    crankboy
    Member

    “A letter reminding people not to do illegal stuff shouldn’t be a big issue for those not intending to break the law.”

    The letter states “Do not stand and watch it may not be safe to do so” I’m not really sure standing and watching even a violent protest is illegal.

    Though last year the Met did threaten to arrest any reporters who remained to film one of their incidents .

    druidh
    Member

    crankboy – Member
    The letter states “Do not stand and watch it may not be safe to do so” I’m not really sure standing and watching even a violent protest is illegal.

    It doesn’t say that watching is illegal, it says it “may not be safe”, which seems like common sense to me.

    Having read the whole letter, I’m still failing to see what the problem is. It actually reminds me of those old TV adverts about failing to pay your TV license, or some of those driving ones we used to get – no more than a general warning to try to stay on the right side of the law.

    Premier Icon easygirl
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    In every single briefing I have been involved in over the last 10 years or so, the commander of the event has always emphasised to all officers that it is peoples right to have a peaceful protest, and we are present to make sure those people can demonstrate and march unhindered
    I think you will find that most officers agree with this principle, and have no problem at all with people exercising their right to demonstrate , after all a lot of police officers will have the same views as a lot of protesters
    What we are against is the rent a mob, who attach themselves to parades, and cause mayhem and violence, these people are only interested in causing as many problems as possible for the state as a whole

    yossarian
    Member

    What we are against is the rent a mob, who attach themselves to parades, and cause mayhem and violence, these people are only interested in causing as many problems as possible for the state as a whole

    Is that what they told you? Wake up. There’s no such thing as ‘rent a mob’. No-one pays anarchists to turn up and start trouble. They do it because they like it. In fact the only ones getting paid are your undercover mates who are fully involved in agitation and who the cynics might say are sometimes key in ensuring things go off with a bang.

    And whilst we’re on the subject, do you honestly think everyone who gets involved in disorder is a member of the black block? Are they bollocks! Half of them are ordinary people who get caught up in the moment usually after being kettled for hours despite having done nothing wrong.

    druidh
    Member

    yossarian – Member
    Half of them are ordinary people who get caught up in the moment usually after being kettled for hours despite having done nothing wrong.

    And if they follow the advice in the letter this can all be avoided. See – perfectly sensible.

    Premier Icon firestarter
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    Also This here Police sending threatening letters to innocent motorcyclists

    Police say they can demand riders admit to an alleged offence, then decide what offence.
    They have been accused of abusing the law with the tactic, used against a number of motorcyclists.
    MCN revealed how riders had received police letters saying they were suspected of an offence but withholding details of the allegation. The letters said they must admit who was riding at the time.
    Now police have admitted they sent the letters before deciding what offence to accuse the riders of.
    The letters cite Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act, which makes it an offence carrying six points and a £1000 fine not to identify the rider. Police routinely use it to find out who was driving or riding a vehicle caught by speed camera.
    But the requirement to tell the police only applies when the rider is ‘alleged to be guilty of an offence’.
    Northumbria’s Sergeant Dave Clement admitted there were no specific allegations against riders in this case. 
    “I would imagine the investigation needs to take place before we determine exactly what offences,” he said.
    He said the force had acted within the law. “The riders and drivers of these vehicles are under investigation so we need their details.”
    But road traffic solicitor Robert Dobson said: “They cannot simply write to a registered vehicle keeper asking for the details of the driver when they have not identified the offence of which that driver is allegedly guilty.
    “I would say it’s an abuse of the legislation, which wasn’t drafted for this purpose.
    “It’s a pure and simple fishing exercise.”
    The letters were sent to nine riders who took part in motorway slow-rides organised by the Motor Cycle Action Group over planned EU measures to prevent bike modifying.

    Zulu-Eleven
    Member

    Is that really all you’ve got to be outraged about?

    Police sending letters to people who have previously been arrested on suspicion of committing a public order offence, to remind them of the law.

    Can I just remind you of the following words:

    “I got caught up in the spirit of the moment. I did not realise that it was the Cenotaph and if I had, I certainly would not have done what I did”

    Now, if the letters serve to remind a few people people not to “get caught up in the moment” is it really such a terrible thing.

    Now, if the police were arresting people in order to prevent a breach of the peace, then you might have a point, but, really, sending a letter? Get a grip 🙄

    Elfinsafety
    Member

    What we are against is the rent a mob, who attach themselves to parades, and cause mayhem and violence, these people are only interested in causing as many problems as possible for the state as a whole

    Then don’t allow thugs to don police uniforms and charge people exercising their democratic right to protest with horses, ‘kettle’ people for no good reason and generally act outside of the Law, then.

    Quite simple really.

    In every single briefing I have been involved in over the last 10 years or so, the commander of the event has always emphasised to all officers that it is peoples right to have a peaceful protest, and we are present to make sure those people can demonstrate and march unhindered

    So why don’t they then?

    mrmo
    Member

    It is not just the letters though is it, there is also the threat of baton rounds being used. police might as well go the whole hog and declare they will be using live rounds.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    the government and the met were caught with their trousers down last time May looked less than capable cameron and borris took several days to comeback from their hols and the feral right in this country were outraged by the inefectiveness of those they voted for
    the batton rounds, the letters are just a bit of desperate PR from a weak government who are doing a very good job at alienating their core supporters

    duckman
    Member

    Yossarian, you best heed the letter, you wouldn’t want to lose your one eye.

    Is that what they told you? Wake up. There’s no such thing as ‘rent a mob’. No-one pays anarchists to turn up and start trouble. They do it because they like it. In fact the only ones getting paid are your undercover mates who are fully involved in agitation and who the cynics might say are sometimes key in ensuring things go off with a bang.

    Oh, thats ok then.So it’s undercover police who are causing all the trouble, thanks for clearing that up, pass the tinfoil.

    Sancho
    Member

    Actually the Government pays the anarchists, its called benefits.
    And wake up, you need to realise these people just look to latch on to any demonstration and then break off with their own agenda.
    If the demonstrations turn in to a typical Saturday night in Leeds I’d expect the police to be very heavy handed.

    ernie_lynch
    Member

    What we are against is the rent a mob, who attach themselves to parades, and cause mayhem and violence, these people are only interested in causing as many problems as possible for the state as a whole

    I would write them a letter, that should put a stop to their nonsense.

    BTW they’re not called parades, they’re called marches or demonstrations – have you actually policed one ?

    Unless of course you’ve policed Easter/Carnival/Military parades in which the rent a mob turned up causing “mayhem and violence”, in which case, please accept my apologies.

    TandemJeremy
    Member

    Oh, thats ok then.So it’s undercover police who are causing all the trouble, thanks for clearing that up, pass the tinfoil.

    Well its happened many times – read up on Mark Kennedy and Drax for example and there are many other instances.

    its not all the trouble it its clearly happened. some very disruptive stuff would not have happened without the shit stirring from Mark Kennedy and the like

    hora
    Member

    I’m scratching my head here. What element of the letter is threatening or unreasonable?

    Premier Icon binners
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    Oh Christ. Yorkshire Tory Boy’s arrived, clutching his Daily Mail to his appalled and outraged breast. Hide.

    I think the phrase your looking for in your achingly simple little mind is

    “If you’ve done nothing wrong, then there’s no reason to be …..blah blah, blah….. you fill in the rest

    hora
    Member

    What part is unreasonable?

    A peaceful protest speaks volumes. A violent protest is largely an own-goal.

    Premier Icon binners
    Subscriber

    Go on….. say it!

    Premier Icon DezB
    Subscriber

    I like to let the police get on with doing their job.

    I’d hate it if a copper came up to me and tried to tell me how to deploy an SMS package.

    IanMunro
    Member

    It doesn’t say that watching is illegal, it says it “may not be safe”, which seems like common sense to me.

    Where’s the letter from the Met about bicycle helmets going to arrive? 😀

    ernie_lynch
    Member

    A peaceful protest speaks volumes. A violent protest is largely an own-goal.

    So since, unsurprisingly, most “protests” are protesting against government policies, the government of the day must hope and pray that a protest turns violent, or at the very least, that it is reported as having been violent.

    hora
    Member

    Guardian in Daily Mail style Journalism.

    Shock and try to create fury so people will buy and read more 🙄

    So since, unsurprisingly, most “protests” are protesting against government policies, the government of the day must hope and pray that a protest turns violent, or at the very least, that it is reported as having been violent.

    Or maybe they are trying to avoid anyone getting hurt. Especially when pathetic young men drop fire extinguishers down onto someone just doing their job.

    Must be bloody awful being in the Police….but then you’ll get 40yr old Guardian readers who will still refer to the Police as ‘the Feds’ as they tut about education whilst casually keeping crime going smoking weed and other hallucinogenic drugs…

    Premier Icon binners
    Subscriber

    You forgot to shoe-horn illegal immigrants and single mother dole scroungers into your sweeeping generalisation, blame-fest. Don’t be lazy. Has Peter Hitchens taught you nothing?

    I suspect that a number of people on this thread have Nazi tendencies.

    hora
    Member

    The article simply feeds the paranoia of those who blame others for everything. Without accepting responsibility.

    Surrounded By Zulus- is that a debating style you used in the debating class at Uni?

    Premier Icon binners
    Subscriber

    Hora – Are you using some kind of random Daily Mail Quote Generator?

    hora
    Member

    We all know that within the Guardian you read there is a Daily Mail and within the Daily Mail is Mein Kampf 😯

    IanMunro
    Member

    The article simply feeds the paranoia of those who blame others for everything. Without accepting responsibility.

    Any news on your mtb forks?

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