Didn't really change any views I previously held on the matter - 6/10
Well thank the bejesus for that. As the song goes Arsenal,
"Don't go changing, to try and please me, you've never let me down before...
...I just want someone I can talk to, I want you just the way you are"
Not really Lanesra. I normally find that 'gypsy' threads on STW usually bring to the surface a lot more bigoted racist neanderthal half-brains.
And also the equally bigoted neanderthal PC half-brains I usually find. As with most things in life, the truth is generally somewhere in the middle ie both sides have valid points of view.
The automatic tagging of someone as a racist bigot just because they hold views that other folk don't agree with is one of the most tiresome and offensive things on here.
Kenny - fair enough but its not 'cos I disagree - I disagree with plenty of folk on here but the posts that some folk make are clearly racist such as
I'm all against racism but, gypsies deserve all they get, imoNo question that is racist.
Truly are scum of the earth
For those of you who don't mind "gypsies" most probably haven't been affected by them in the areas in which you live. I have no sympathy for them and don't think the government should do anything to accommodate them.
I could go into masses of detail as to what has gone on where i live over the last 5 years and even more so the last month but i'd be here for hours!
The racism card is thrown around way too much now days, as English people we are always seen as racist if we have an opinion on those who aren't. However it never works the other way around does it?
And "dirty thieving gypos" on this thread is indisputably racist.
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"The automatic tagging of someone as a racist bigot ...... is one of the most tiresome and offensive things on here"
Well that's a relief ......... I go out of my way to be offensive to racists 
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"As with most things in life, the truth is generally somewhere in the middle ie both sides have valid points of view"
OK, let's work this one out......
Racists claim that Gypsies are sub-human. Non racists claim that Gypsies are human beings like everyone else.
So where does the truth lie ? Gypsies are a bit sub-human ?
I believe the rotund man @ the end was proud he was a thief... bravo!
To say " I have had troubles with gypsies stealing stuff" is not racist. Its your experience. to say "all gypsies steal stuff" " is racist as its negative stereotyping. You have not met "all gypsies"
Clear difference.
I am not defending gypsies / Roma at all. And Hugh B it clearly works all ways.
TJ, are you still upset the thread you made touting your mates shop was pulled.
Well said hugh_b, though be prepared to be branded a racist by TJ and co
And how is it you singlehandedly manage to turn an innocent thread into a slanging match accusing everyone of being a racist
The rotund man at the end was actually worried by the amount of thieving/begging going on by Romanian gypsies.
Lanesra - it was not pulled by the Mods - TBC asked for it to be pulled as it was causing trouble. Get your facts right.
TJ, are you still upset ........
TJ doesn't sound in the least bit upset ............ where do you get that from Lanesra ? 
That is all - MemberAnd "dirty thieving gypos" on this thread is indisputably racist.
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"The automatic tagging of someone as a racist bigot ...... is one of the most tiresome and offensive things on here"
Well that's a relief ......... I go out of my way to be offensive to racists
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"As with most things in life, the truth is generally somewhere in the middle ie both sides have valid points of view"
OK, let's work this one out......
Racists claim that Gypsies are sub-human. Non racists claim that Gypsies are human beings like everyone else.
So where does the truth lie ? Gypsies are a bit sub-human ?
Well said
Get your facts right.
You're having a laugh - right ?
TJ doesn't sound in the least bit upset ............ where do you get that from Lanesra ?
Just a general vibe I get.
I reckon he needs a woman, have a look here TJ seems to be right up your street 
http://www.romaniansdating.com
I am glad we agree he was rotund. I believe he was 'actually' a fine member of the community and I think he was mainly concerned that the thieving, (and he was a self confessed thief). Was getting to big and giving the good thieves a bad name LOL!
Im more than happy to admit that im a racist when it comes to gypos! I cant even stand the site of gypo campsites let alone the fly-tipping, drug dealing / growing, car thefts, cash machine thefts. Theres always something illegal going on but somehow the law is powerless to do anything about it. As hugh_b said weve had more than our share of problems with them in our area.
Lanesra - Member
Well said hugh_b, though be prepared to be branded a racist by TJ and coAnd how is it you singlehandedly manage to turn an innocent thread into a slanging match accusing everyone of being a racist
Ok - you got me to bite
Point out where I accused anyone of being racist? Apart from you who has pervious in this area. I even left your name off the racist quote. I have not accused anyone else of being racist.
You clearly started this thread to get this reaction. You have previous as a racist bigot. You are now trolling like mad to get the reaction you want to reinforce your nasty little prejudices.
Awa' an' bile yer heid racist bigot.
I can see both points of view and obviously the way something is worded has a massive effect on the response.
From a first hand experience i have seen religious/traditional gypsies who mind their own business and abide by the law like the rest of us. However in the Uk we have thousands of Irish "travelers" who unfortunately hide behind the religious excuse/appearance when in actual fact they are not the slightest bit interested in the traditions or religion.
Very recently gypsies moved in very close to us for a "religious festival". No doubt the main group were religious and were keeping themselves to themselves causing no trouble. The Irish traveler Kids were roaming around causing no end of trouble...stones at windows, stealing anything they could from residents...especially bikes, abusive to anyone they saw, carrying weapons in an attempt to intimidate people, fouling in the bushes, rubbish everywhere and the one that really got my blood boiling...attempting to steal next doors dog!
When my view on them is questioned i ask how you would feel if your bike/tools etc were stolen from you, for most on this forum cycling is a major part in their lives. I have been a victim of this, as has my family, hence my opinion of them.
Theres always something illegal going on but somehow the law is powerless to do anything about it.
LOL ! Yeah ...... it's all them pro-gypsy coppers - innit ?
And if they do get arrested, then all them public school educated Romani judges let them off scot free !
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LOL ! ....... oh dear God .... I do love these threads ......... thanks Lanesra ! 
You can say what you want Hugh, they are Irish and therefor fare game.
Bloody hell TJ, take a chill pill - I started the thread as it looked a decent documentary which claimed to go to the heart of the problem (which it never did imo)
I know you get all wound up when no one conforms to your utopian views of the world but, it is entirley possible for people to hold views opposite to yours without them being racist/right wing/thatcherite etc etc etc..
Even the Don at the end of the documentary admitted they were rightfully viewed the way they were
Hugh - I ain't labelling you racist. You have clearly talked about your specific experiences and not said that your experiences means all gipsies are bad.
Its a difference thats too subtle for lanesra to grasp.
Yeah right Lanesra.
I was just trying to be "politically correct", to be honest i don't like the idea of any of them living close to me. I'm not bothered about saying that, in both mine and stu-pid's experience they have ruined a perfectly nice area and have caused no end of trouble.
I was merely trying to point out other people's side of the argument. The Irish don't stand for any bad behavior etc in their country, hence why they are moving over here!
Tandem Jeremy-I understand your not calling me a racist, everyone is entitled to voice their opinion and i respect that. As you say i was just pointing out the evidence my personal views have been based on.
In my first post I was just stating that the racism card is thrown at us so much now days it really frustrates me.
the Irish don't stand for any bad behavior etc in their country
'Tis a crime free country, Ireland is.
seems to be a lot of confusion in this thread over the groups that are known as gypsies. quite a distinction between romani and irish travellers.
It's not worth typing any more..
thomthumbseems to be a lot of confusion in this thread over the groups that are known as gypsies. quite a distinction between romani and irish travellers.
To you maybe.
Well i've said what i think, i have been a victim as have friends hence my opinions.
Gypsy has several different and overlapping meanings under English Law. Under the Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960 Gypsies are defined as "persons of nomadic habit of life, whatever their race or origin, but does not include members of an organised group of travelling showmen, or persons engaged in travelling circuses, travelling together as such.", this definition includes such groups as New Age Travellers, as well as Irish Travellers and Romany. Not being pro gypsies is not a race issue it's an issue with how people live there lives and the effects that that has on you, as hugh_b has pointed out. Moving into areas flouting planning laws, thieving, creating tips on the country side, paying no taxes and intimidation are not a great ways to go about getting public opinion on there side.
2 pages of moral issues and no one's called anyone else a 'nobhead' yet. There's progress for you!
julianwilson you're a nobhead! (no particular reason mate, just wanted to get it out there) 
The Irish don't stand for any bad behavior etc in their country
As were many things in Ireland, the inhumane treatment of travellers/gypsies/tinkers/itinerants (whatever you want to call them) has been well hidden. But then we heard about the benefits system in your country, and all your loose Church of England women, so we piled 'em all over here. I however, came to work, pay taxes and be a paid up member of society (and enjoy your women too, hehe) unlike my itinerant brethren who hopefully are causing untold misery to Arsenal and anyone like him.
No question that is racist.
Fair point TJ, that was a pretty disgusting thing to say. However there are plenty other more moderate views expressed on here that are all to often automatically shot down as being bigoted.
For example, I personally don't know much about the continental Roma, but I do know, from experience, that a lot of what are known as gypsies in this country are not nice people. They leave litter and filth wherever they camp, and can be very aggressive.
I'm not saying they are all like that, but a substantial portion are.
Well that's a relief ......... I go out of my way to be offensive to racists
Fair enough, if they genuinely are. However most are just expressing an opinion. The problem is that any opinion that isn't regarded as PC is automatically shot down as being racist and bigoted.
OK, let's work this one out......
Racists claim that Gypsies are sub-human. Non racists claim that Gypsies are human beings like everyone else.
So where does the truth lie ? Gypsies are a bit sub-human
Of course they are human. Your argument is wrong on so many levels. There are billions of human beings, most good, quite a few not so. Most racists don't actually claim gypsies are sub-human. And a lot of non-racists wouldn't be happy if a load of gypsies camped at the bottom of their street. That's what I mean about there always being a bit of validity to the both sides of just about any argument.
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