Why else vote for them?

It’s not as if they’ve been pretending to be nice all these years.

Tories speaking to the voters that elected them and those who may vote for them in the future.

May’s immigration speech deliberately mis-represented here, the Tories want controlled immigration. Then we can take the best and the brightest.

OECD statistics show just 14% of migrants in Europe (on their way to Germany, Sweden etc basically) are Syrians. Over 40% are from the Balkans and Germans have been placing them in camps for immediate deportation.

Cameron and others picked the low hanging fruit that is Corbyn’s associations with terrorists and his weakness on defence and security. Corbin has no credible response to this so they’ll keep at it.

DrJ people voted the Tories in in part as there was no credible alternative, they are in an even stronger position today.

The conference has laid out clearly that the Toires intend to take the middle ground, the focus on poverty is just one obvious strategy. Labour couldn’t address poverty not least as they have no economic credibility

Standing up for what you personally believe in is fine just don’t ram it down every one else’s throat

Well said squoglybob, unfortunately that sound advice will be ignored by the Tories.

The Daily Telegraph seems to have gone into overdrive with the bollocks they’re churning out.

The people who voted for them are either arseholes or easily led.

Or they believe that overall, the Tories will do less harm than a labour led overspend followed by recession, etc.

Not something I personally agree with but I’ve certainly had it put forward as a heart felt view by people who wouldn’t particularly be harmed even if the above scenario did happen.

Corbyn’s associations with terrorists and his weakness on defence and security. Corbin has no credible response to this

Cos it’s not a credible attack!

molgrips – Member

Cos it’s not a credible attack!

That’s the genius of it tbh. You can’t respond to irrationality with logic, you can’t counter it with facts. It’s like trying to argue with a child who says there’s an invisible dinosaur in their bedroom- it doesn’t matter that there’s no such thing as an invisible dinosaur, it doesn’t matter that there’s not enough room for one in their room, it only matters that they’re in your face at 2am refusing to go back to bed because Jeremy Corbyn loves terrorists.

P-Jay – Member

What’s probably more ‘staggering’ to me is the way the Tories are tearing into Jeremy Corbin and the Labour party, they’ve gone the ‘full Republican’ claiming Socialism is a danger the American British Way and Comrade Corbin will sell us all the Europe, but not before he’s given all our money to those thieving immigrants.

I thought this was a bit of hyperbole but I just saw the speech and it isn’t is it, it’s exactly the message. Right down to “hating Britain”. He’s probably a muslim too. FFS.

It’s not as if they’ve been pretending to be nice all these years.

But, but…..

Is this not real then?

I feel cheated. And used. And not in a good way 😥

You’ll be telling me there’s no substance to Georges Northern Powerhouse next!!!

the focus on poverty is just one obvious strategy.

By massively increasing it?

Life for a huge amount of the working poor (3 million families) is just about to get a whole lot shitter. The tax credits reforms mean that millions of the very poorest workers are going to lose a huge chunk of their income (some £1500 a year). And Georges modest ‘Living Wage ‘ *(which actually isn’t one) increases are nowhere near compensating for this

Is this a ‘strategy’ then? This their pitch to be the party of ‘the Workers’, and occupy the centre ground?

More Jambanomics? 😉

More Jambanomics?

More Jambabollox you mean.

jambalaya – Member

Tories speaking to the voters that elected them and those who may vote for them in the future.

May’s immigration speech deliberately mis-represented here, the Tories want controlled immigration. Then we can take the best and the brightest.

OECD statistics show just 14% of migrants in Europe (on their way to Germany, Sweden etc basically) are Syrians. Over 40% are from the Balkans and Germans have been placing them in camps for immediate deportation.

Cameron and others picked the low hanging fruit that is Corbyn’s associations with terrorists and his weakness on defence and security. Corbin has no credible response to this so they’ll keep at it.

DrJ people voted the Tories in in part as there was no credible alternative, they are in an even stronger position today.

The conference has laid out clearly that the Toires intend to take the middle ground, the focus on poverty is just one obvious strategy. Labour couldn’t address poverty not least as they have no economic credibility

You do realise that you’re not being interviewed by the BBC don’t you jambalaya ?

There’s really no need to regurgitate that nonsense.

But, but…..

Is this not real then?

I feel cheated. And used. And not in a good way

You’ll be telling me there’s no substance to Georges Northern Powerhouse next!!!

You know he did something deeply disturbing to that poor Dog don’t you?

It’s not just a dog’s head then?

“Where you can afford one of Camerons starter homes if you’re on the living wage”

Completely missing the point. A living wage is meant to be at a level where you can live on, it doesn’t have to be one where you must be getting enough to buy a house.

Basically Labour is worst in all aspects by comparison to the one in govt now.

Why are people keep deluding themselves by trying to save the world?

Bastid ZMs (TM new term) know very well that they want to create a nanny state and to control individual lifestyle according to their own utopian ideals.

No, we are not a big family.

No, I am not your brother.

No, you are wrong and I am right.

🙄

I think it’s about time MPs worked harder preferably for minimum wage, maybe we should consider outsourcing their jobs to the Chinese.

Amazes me the cunning negotiating skills used by our political masters and Europe to secure unilateral agreements beneficial to the US and it’s interests, shall we be polite and call it knuckling under.

chewkw – Member

Basically Labour is worst in all aspects by comparison to the one in govt now.

Why are people keep deluding themselves with trying to save the world?

Bastid ZMs know very well that they want to create a nanny state and to control individual lifestyle according to their own utopian ideals.

No, we are not a big family.

No, I am not your brother.

No, I am right and you are wrong.

What part of the ‘Nanny State’ do you think was created between 1997 and 2010, and what part was torn down since?

Basically Labour is worst in all aspects by comparison to the one in govt now.

Well that’s one opinion, we’ll have to wait 5 years to find out what everyone else thinks.

Completely missing the point. A living wage is meant to be at a level where you can live on, it doesn’t have to be one where you must be getting enough to buy a house.

the actual point (which you have missed) is that Cameron is asking for building to be diverted away from homes to rent and towards homes to buy.

Where are the people who would have rented those homes and now can’t buy them supposed to go?

I’m somewhere in the middle between right and left, I don’t have any particular views either way, but the attitudes the lefties have with their bitter vitriol and deep chips on their shoulders just puts me off leaning that way. If you could understand what these Tory bashing threads actually read like (through the permanent red mist you guys seem to have) you might understand.

I dont understand how anyone could read that balanced assessment of the lefties and not see you as middle of the road…have the BBC called you up to do the politics show due to your rampart and blatant impartiality? WHy do so many of the obvious right wing folk on here deny it?Why did they do insulting posts about lefites whilst railing against bitter vitriol? Do you get an irony by pass when you become right wing…sorry middle of the road?
Exhibit B

I think the point being made is tories are folk who only think/act out of self interest
yeah of course they are nothing like a large generalisation.

whilst telling us Great Britain is brilliant.
As opposed to old school labour who are constantly apologising for GB and grumbling how poor people are.

Yes no generalisation there from you and no mistake…again oh the irony

May’s immigration speech deliberately mis-represented here, the Tories want controlled immigration. Then we can take the best and the brightest.

She clearly said she wanted the total number to drop – despite being the person in charge of this and not delivering it..Again oh the irony that you misrepresented it whilst moaning about it being misrepresented

Bastid ZMs (TM new term) know very well that they want to create a nanny state and to control individual lifestyle according to their own utopian ideals.

If I had to choose then I’d much rather live in a “nanny state” than an “every man for himself, shit on your own mum if it gets you ahead” state.

binners – Member

By massively increasing it?

They’re attacking poverty. Oy, you lot, over there? You represent property <kick>.

The living wage/buy a house thing does slightly miss the point robdob but what doesn’t miss the point is that Cameron claims to be supporting first time buyers by creating more “low cost housing” when in fact the scheme allows houses more than 20% above the national average. There’s no legitimate way you can define an above-average house as “low cost”, it’s just contradictory.

To be fair the Telegraph has been busy mis-representing Teresa May too, so it’s not just the lefties that think the current Tories are a bit nasty.

I think Jambalaya’s actually a Tory MP.

There’s no legitimate way you can define an above-average house as “low cost”

Surely if you built a house in London that’s only 20% over the national average then it could at least be argued to be ‘low cost’ assuming you’re comparing to London?

The Telegraph are a on a roll today as they also attacked Mike Ashley’s business and working practices. Now if everyone could agree to boycott Sports Direct that would be a campaign I could get behind.

nemesis – Member

Surely if you built a house in London that’s only 20% over the national average then it could at least be argued to be ‘low cost’ assuming you’re comparing to London?

There’s a separate limit for London, the £250000 is for everywhere else. The national house price average is just over £200000 even taking London into account so in reality it’s more than 20%, I just don’t have a reliable number for how much higher.

OK, not London then – Edinburgh or Bristol to pick two other expensive locations that are inherently at least 20% over the national average.

My point isn’t to support the policy but just I disagree that it’s quite as misleading as you suggest though if you live in a shithole like Middlesborough for example the North ( 😉 ) it’s clearly not going to be helping many people

P-Jay – Member
What part of the ‘Nanny State’ do you think was created between 1997 and 2010, and what part was torn down since?

Very simple. Labour want to become a full member of the EU bureaucratic ZM state is it not?

There that’s the first step to an EU super nanny state … 🙄

That’s no way out I am afraid unless you eat your own hat by saying you want out of EU super nanny state.

footflaps – Member

Basically Labour is worst in all aspects by comparison to the one in govt now.

Well that’s one opinion, we’ll have to wait 5 years to find out what everyone else thinks. [/quote]

Ya, true, true … I think it will be more like 4 terms at least or worst case scenario two generations.

If Labour wants to win without a good Leader all they need to do are:

1. To renounce their allegiance (to join in as full member) of an EU ZM bureaucratic state. I mean it is so stooppid to be wanting to be bureaucratised. Mind numbing prospect … well, brain dead.

2. Control the boarder – Ya, get it into your thick skull that only genuine asylum seekers are welcome. Others please join the queue and jump through the hoops as usual.

3. Stick your nose in your own business and out of others affairs like those of the Israel and Palestine. You CANNOT solve “god’s” problem. You are a Bastid ZM! Get it?

4. Get rid of the shite business rate.

5. Reduce the number of mind numbing ZM councils.

If Labour can do the above then I shall raise the red flag for you without you asking …

GrahamS – Member

Bastid ZMs (TM new term) know very well that they want to create a nanny state and to control individual lifestyle according to their own utopian ideals.

If I had to choose then I’d much rather live in a “nanny state” than an “every man for himself, shit on your own mum if it gets you ahead” state. [/quote]

There are already rules in a society even before the creation of EU. Did people go AWOL before that?

It is such a stoooopid ideal of trying to incorporate oneself into a larger bureaucratic ZM state.

chewkw what do you think a ‘nanny state’ actually does that it ought to stop doing?

In this country nanny’s are women who care for children, educate them and generally look after their welfare.

I can’t see that any of this activity is something we would not want our country to do for us throughout our lives?

This ^^ is what happens when you respond to one of Chewwy’s posts – he comes back with twice as much bollocks.

You can’t fault him for quantity. Quality OTOH…

In this country nanny’s are women who care for children, educate them and generally look after their welfare.

Err, you might want to rephrase that a bit to retain any left wing credentials…

What I want to know is what is proposed for Next Generation Rent. Assuming in some fairy tale world people actually can buy these houses, they are going to want to sell them on, and will need to make a profit to do so. So it’s just delaying action, and making the housing bubble worse, surely?

wwaswas – Member
chewkw what do you think a ‘nanny state’ actually does that it ought to stop doing?

Nations set their own rules as they wish. If their rules are shite so be it coz that’s their home(country). If their rules say no one should wear tights or everyone should wear one so be it.

What’s with the EU president thingy they are talking about … such a disgusting concept you lot are numb in your brain wave. So stoopid it is unthinkable.

In this country nanny’s are women who care for children, educate them and generally look after their welfare.

Ya, they can be as nanny as they wish in their own home with their family and their own children just try not to stick yourself into others’ affairs.

I can’t see that any of this activity is something we would not want our country to do for us throughout our lives?

I don’t want them to do that for me.

ernie_lynch – Member

This ^^ is what happens when you respond to one of Chewwy’s posts – he comes back with twice as much bollocks.

Did I say something right, correct, true? … see I told you so I see you coming. 😯

nemesis – Member
You can’t fault him for quantity. Quality OTOH…

Ya, I just get to the point. 😛

Quantity? Coz there are so many brain numbing issues that there is no way I can explain them all …

So in 2020 will we see the nice party ?

The people who voted for them are either arseholes or easily led.

You’ve soon forgotten what the alternative was.

Nations set their own rules as they wish.

I have no idea what this, or the EU, has to do with left-wing socialism and the “nanny state”.

But then I rarely understand any of chewkw’s posts. 😳

P-Jay – Member
What part of the ‘Nanny State’ do you think was created between 1997 and 2010, and what part was torn down since?

Very simple. Labour want to become a full member of the EU bureaucratic ZM state is it not?

There that’s the first step to an EU super nanny state …

That’s no way out I am afraid unless you eat your own hat by saying you want out of EU super nanny state.

We joined the European Union under Edward Heath, a tory PM.

Gordon Brown kept us out of the Euro which saved our arse in 2009.

Kept our Veto power throughout the Blair/Brown Government.

During the 5 years of the last Government, we made no changes to our relationship with Europe, and CMD made a promise (that he never thought he’d have to keep) for a referendum on Europe which he hasn’t set a date for, and will campaign for us to stay in, because despite he words in the run up to the last election and the UKIP revolution that never came, it makes solid financial sense to stay within the EU.

The European Union has stood for over 40 years, there has never been a ‘super state’ and never will be, don’t believe the hype, it’s very easy for Governments to blame the EU when things go wrong, and easier for the tabloid to make silly headlines about straight bananas and such, but we hold an enviable position within the EU, we can vote to change it however we wish, we hold a permanent position at the top table within it, but we also have power of veto over any and all EU laws, we simply don’t have to listen to any of them if we don’t want to.

why are you embarrassed by that ? the posts are generally gibberish bollocks
Still the only poster who I never read and I fail to understand why folk expect a reasoned debate from him

GrahamS – Member

Nations set their own rules as they wish.

I have no idea what this, or the EU, has to do with left-wing socialism and the “nanny state”.

But then I rarely understand any of chewkw’s posts. [/quote]

Of course you don’t, of course you don’t. 🙄

Very simple. Get out of EU altogether with NOT even a hint of going back then we can debate about nanny state or whatever.

P-Jay – Member
We joined the European Union under Edward Heath, a tory PM.

Gordon Brown kept us out of the Euro which saved our arse in 2009.

Kept our Veto power throughout the Blair/Brown Government.

I don’t care who started the idea of this shite EU thingy (think Churchill did after WWII or something like that) but I want out or at least be promised that we WILL NEVER become a part/full member with this entity.

I don’t care about the benefits of joining or the disasters whatever without joining …

Just get me out of this EU ZM bureaucratic entity … 🙄

If Labour can promise to get out of this EU ZM bureaucratic entity then I shall become communist to make sure all you bourgeois share your wealth. 🙄