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  • The irony is so thick, you can almost taste it.
  • MrWoppit
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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bnp-may-have-to-admit-black-and-asian-members-after-court-challenge-1803635.html

    But why are these people described as "far right"? All their economic ideas seem socialist to me. National Socialist, that is… 😕

    muddydwarf
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    It's not like the National Socialist ideology of the BNP is going to disappear over night is it?
    How many of the slope-headed thugs that comprise the rank and file of the party are really willing to see non-white members in their little club?

    grumm
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    I think this is fairly pointless tbh – it's not going to achieve anything and will allow the BNP to claim they are being victimised.

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    I think this is fairly pointless tbh

    I dunno, the party could be over-run with previously barred members who could then dictate policy

    😀

    Stoner
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    grumm
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    Yeah I suppose it might mean they reveal just how nastily racist most of their members are, if some ethnic minorities did try and join. Weirdly I'm sure I saw an interview with an asian guy (first generation migrant) who said he would vote BNP, as he was sick of all the immigrants from poland, iraq and afghanistan!

    sootyandjim
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    Its non-news at best and a complete waste of the EHRC's resources chasing it.

    Its the BNP. Whether its in their constitution or not can you see many people from ethnic minorities joining them? All it does is belittle the genuinely useful work the EHRC does and in doing so provides small-minded bigots the opportunity to decry it is them who is being victimised by 'the system'.

    What has this achieved other than give the BNP some more free media attention and with it the illusion that somehow this ruling will turn them into a moderate party? They may not gain votes from ethnic minorities but I'm sure some who were put off by their racist ideals may now reconsider now that 'officially' they can't be racist.

    muddydwarf
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    What amuses me is the statement that they are attempting to comply with the law because they want to be part of the democratic electoral process, when the basic ideology of the BNP's National Socialist outlook is essentially anti-democratic.

    It is simply a tacit admission of defeat for one particular strategy. The BNP have ALWAYS maintained that non-white Britons have no place in the UK, however the rest of the world has moved on from such neanderthal attitudes and they were becoming increasingly sidelined.
    The switch to targetting Muslims alongside the increasing anti-Islamic attitudes of the West was a lifesaver for them.
    They can now attempt to claim they are 'fighting' for British values and at the same time pretend to like black and asian people so long as they are not Muslims!
    They are simply opportunistic thugs who try to ride the democratic prcess for their own ends. It has long been known for them to target Catholics in Scotland simply because Catholics are (probably) the largest 'minority' in Scotland.*

    *Plus of course, they have strong links with the Protestant/Unionist terror groups in Ulster.

    simonfbarnes
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    Actually, it would make more sense for everyone to join the BNP and convert it into a knitting circle :o) You don't have to vote for the f**kers though you can pretend you're going to…

    democracy in action indeed!

    web_toed_marsdener
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    But why are these people described as "far right"? All their economic ideas seem socialist to me. National Socialist, that is…

    Aye.

    I'm trying to imagine a world where the BNP got what they wanted. Apart from the obvious social catastrophe, the economic situation would be a non starter.

    Massive dummys.

    Pigface
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    It always amuses me that when one of the leadership is interviewed for the first few sentances they seem reasonable then they just get owned as who ever it interviewing them asks some awkward questions and they reveal themselves as the vile gutter dwelling f u ckwits they are.

    I remember the NF rise in the 70's and 80's and this time they are a lot more clever, normal sane people can not drop there guard. What ever crap the BNP spout they have only one agenda and that is evil.

    ernie_lynch
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    I like the quote from a Times article when after the court hearing, John Wadham from the Equality and Human Rights Commission was told, quote :

    As they left court, Chris Roberts, the BNP’s eastern regional spokesman accused Mr Wadham of being a “disgrace” and warned he would face a charge for “crimes against the British people”.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6876255.ece

    You will pay for your crimes – your name is on zee list !

    Don't tell him Pike !

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    And btw, I don't subscribe to the Neville Chamberlain school of thought : ignore fascism and it will just go away.

    sootyandjim
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    But 'Pigface', by the EHRC chasing them like this and getting the courts to make them 'inclusive' many folk will, if they don't scratch deeper, think they are a respectable party to vote for now.

    The EHRC (and whoever decided to get them involved) have done far more good for the BNP than they could have dreamed of, legitimising a racist organisation.

    TandemJeremy
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    I have to disagree with you S&J

    1) the bnp should obey the rules all organisations have to including being inclusive
    2) i don't think the average voter is that thick
    3) I bet now some non whites join up or attempts to do so and wind 'em up from the inside
    4) its a step towards getting them marginalised. They cannot possibly really meet the need for equality being a racist organisation – thus this might end with them getting outed as racist

    ernie_lynch
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    But why are these people described as "far right"? All their economic ideas seem socialist to me. National Socialist, that is…

    Because they are far right. Don't confuse fascism's strong commitment to state monopoly capitalism with socialism. Even extremely right-wing fascist such as the dictator General Franco nationalised the railways, and yet under his rule, capitalism was completely free and rampant.

    From the BNP website :

    "Fully cognisant of the reality that economic growth is driven primarily by true free enterprise"

    …..nothing socialist about that.

    “Fascism is capitalism in decay” Vladimir Lenin

    sootyandjim
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    I have to disagree with you S&J

    1) the bnp should obey the rules all orgainsations have to including being inclusive
    2) i don't think the average voter is that thick
    3) I bet now some non whites join up or attempts to do so and wind 'em up from the inside
    4) its a step towards getting them marginalised. They cannot possibly really meet the need for equality being a racist organisation – thus this might end with them getting outed as racist

    TJ

    – I agree that orgainsations have to be inclusive, but by being forced to like this they can play on 'the state' trying to silence then and portray themselves as victims in this.

    – The 'average voter' is an idiot. Someone who'll vote for the colour of the rosette worn rather than policies behind it. With the BNP pandering to the "dark-skinned people are coming to steal our jobs" crowd and the current down-turn placing many people on the dole its easy for the 'average voter' to start looking for someone who supports their need to blame someone.

    – The BNP is a racist organisation, the amount of people from ethnic minorities who would join in order to effect change from within will be statistically insignificant.

    – Its a step to getting them legitimised. The courts have said they must be inclusive and when they change their constitution they will be, legally at least. They can meet the legal requirements and then just act dumb when no-one from ethnic minorities wants to join. In fact they can play on it all being a complete waste of money, they can play on the EHRC being 'agents of Labour' attempting to tamper with a legal political party, they can say whatever they want, because they will have complied with the law.

    Unfortunately many like to feel that they (the BNP) are a bunch of knuckle dragging idiots and whilst I won't deny their political aims are idiotic there are quite a few relatively smart people within their organisation who are starting to understand how to use the system and the media for their benefit.

    They may be made up of the NF morons of the 70s and 80s but they are not the NF morons of the 70s and 80s, they are organised and better understand the political system and that is a worry.

    rogerthecat
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    After QT last night and the pathetic response of our current Home Sec, I am really looking forward to seeing NG and Jack Straw on the same platform – should be a real hoot!

    I love the idea of as many non WASP residents of the UK joining the BNP once it becomes inclusive. If there are sufficient, they can marginalise the current crop of idiots in charge and set a new agenda for the party – how about an wholly inclusive British National Party – the party for everyone. Political mischief – the best entertainment in the world!!

    On a serious note, we have to stop trying to destroy idiots like these by trying to make them conform and legitimising fringe and radical parties, the only way to do this is to open them up to ridicule in the full glare of a public spotlight.

    BermBandit
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    Simple solution : once this is in place everyone join the BNP, then vote for policy change. Sorted!

    CaptJon
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    Yes the BNP are racist, that is obvious. But everytime they are challenged on it Griffin avoid the issues. Continually having a go on this basis doesn't get anywhere. A more effective critique can be made by examining their other policies. This is their economic policy from their website:

    "ECONOMY – British workers first!
    Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers. When this is done, unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure, well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labour’s statistical fiddles. We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons. We will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes."

    That is such a naive understanding of the economy and globalisation my head wants to implode. That is sub-GCSE policy. "restore our economy and land to British ownership" so that is Asda and all their workers stuffed, half (or more) of the financial sector is done away with, all those car factories who employ thousands of people will be gone… genius.

    kennyp
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    Personally I don't see why any party, or club, or organisation (other than government or stae owned/run) ones should be open to everyone. I think the fundamental freedom to chose is more important than some ruling motivated by political correctness. If someone wants to start a golf club that only admits one-legged black lesbians then they should have that right. It wouldn't bother me in the least if some political party told me I couldn't join because I was the wrong colour. Their freedom to chose is more important than my desire to join.

    That said, I do love the idea of loads of black folk joining the BNP and starting to take the pi$$. Maybe start a BNP reggae band. Ridicule is generally the best way of beating these folk.

    slowjo
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    eeeew… think about it…. if we had British owned car factories etc again, we'd all be driving Austin Allegros and Morris Marinas! Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

    MrWoppit
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    "ECONOMY – British workers first!
    Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers. When this is done, unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure, well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labour’s statistical fiddles. We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons. We will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes."

    Yep – National Socialism as near as dammit… 🙄

    jon1973
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    I dunno, the party could be over-run with previously barred members who could then dictate policy

    I thought that initially, but it isn't currently over-run by anti-racist whites trying to change the BNP's agenda and policy. Apart from a small moral victory, I'm not sure it will make any difference.

    5thElefant
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    I wouldn't be surprised if they re-position themselves on the lines of the EDL. Heir Griffin has claimed in the past that they have strong Sikh support and he wouldn't mind them joining.

    I think making them appeal to a wider audience is a very dumb move.

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