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  • The Golf's on. OTT provision and protectionism?
  • matt_outandabout
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    So a few miles up the road we have some ponces whacking a pebble round some fields or other.
    The provision, restrictions and general ‘PANIC!’ from the councils is intriguing me.
    Examples:
    They rebult the whole train station – for a couple of thousand visitors. Some of the A9 has been re-surfaced, signs replaced, trees cut back etc etc, all in preparation for the event.
    One chap who’s house overlooks the course has an injunction against using his balcony, farmers are restricted from accessing fields with tractors for the duration of the event.
    Schools in Auchterader, local villages and one in Perth have been closed because the golfists car’s need the roads.
    The police helicopter has been buzzing back and forth from Edinburgh to Auchterader all day.
    Outside our offices at Stirling Park and Ride, there were 19 police officers (plus many minion security guards) this morning, there are a dozen traffic lights waiting, temporary speed limits (20mph on a straight road), cones everywhere, the motorway sports lines of cones and signs and speed limits on and off…And the whole business park is apparently being shut early on Friday so the Golfists spectators don’t have to wait as long…
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    It feels like the the upper classes can pull in more resources, more restrictions and delays for Joe ordinary that the Commonwealth had in place.

    oldnick
    Full Member

    An injunction against using your own balcony? Jeez…

    mikey74
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    A few thousand? They are expecting at least 45,000 people/day (2010 in Wales attracted 244,000 overall) , from all over the world; plus over 1,000 journalists from 24 countries.

    The Ryder Cup is one of the largest sporting events in the World.

    The balcony thing is over the top, but you can’t blame them for prettying up the place and preparing for large crowds.

    grey
    Full Member

    It’s also going to be one of the busiest airports in the world, they reckon 200 helicopter flights a day, that’s double the heli’s going out of Aberdeen every day.
    I saw some of the mad traffic measures on the way up to Kinnoull the other day.

    matt_outandabout
    Full Member

    A few thousand?

    Each train is 1000 people apparently, two from north and two from south each day I have been told. So yes, a few thousand, for a cost of £3.5m.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-28035203

    Drac
    Full Member

    Wonder how much cash it generates for the area and is that balcony story really true?

    matt_outandabout
    Full Member

    is that balcony story really true?

    According to our admin lady, a fellow harp player who she practices with is the person who owns the balcony, and there a a few other similar stories / urban rumor going round.

    mikey74
    Free Member

    ScotRail have organised a dedicated 2014 Ryder Cup service to transport up to 7,500 spectators each day to and from Gleneagles Station which is only a short walk from the entrance to The 2014 Ryder Cup venue.

    Add to this all those arriving by car and coaches and other forms of transport and you have a lot of people.

    Nobeerinthefridge
    Free Member

    Lost it for me when it went to council telly only.

    CaptainFlashheart
    Free Member

    They are expecting at least 45,000 people/day

    Piffling.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badminton_Horse_Trials#Status

    Annual event, no train station, no pointless waste of public money. See also Burghley.

    revs1972
    Free Member

    If the balcony story is true, I’m sure they would be more than adequately compensated £££££££

    rs
    Free Member

    They rebult the whole train station – for a couple of thousand visitors.

    erm, locals will still be able to use it after the event won’t they, who paid for the upgrades?

    jota180
    Free Member

    Just what I don’t need 🙂
    I need to get to Dundee on Friday from the South (M74)

    Question for the locals, would the A90 be OK traffic wise if I shoot across to Edinburgh or would I be better crossing the bridge and then turning right to Kirkcaldy and North from there?

    CaptainFlashheart
    Free Member

    who paid for the upgrades?

    British taxpayers.

    mikey74
    Free Member

    Annual event, no train station, no pointless waste of public money. See also Burghley.

    So….. what you are saying is that a completely different event, held in a completely different venue, in a completely different setting, in a completely different part of the Country has different access requirements/arrangements?

    Wow!! That’s some real damning evidence there.

    teamhurtmore
    Free Member

    So you get new road surfaces, tidying up, spruced up station and you are moaning about it? Did you vote YES by any chance?

    CaptainFlashheart
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    I’d say it is, Mikey. A far, far bigger event, also involving some sportspeople doing sporting things in a large, faux-rural environment, that happens every year, and that hasn’t needed any splurging of public money on it.

    No roads are resurfaced, no £3.5m spunked away on a train station, no injunctions on balconies, etc, etc, etc.

    Drac
    Full Member

    So….. what you are saying is that a completely different event, held in a completely different venue, in a completely different setting, in a completely different part of the Country has different access requirements/arrangements?

    Not to mention the numbers are the same as they’re quoting total numbers not each day.

    BoardinBob
    Full Member

    Outstanding nimby-ism. One of the world’s biggest sports events right at home and someone still finds something to moan about.

    “How dare other people enjoy something I don’t.”

    Drac
    Full Member

    no injunctions on balconies

    My Gran’s Uncle twiced removed gardner’s daughter dog walker said they can’t look out of their windows when the Badminton horse trials are on. They even have snipers watching in case they dare try.

    CaptJon
    Free Member

    mikey74 – Member
    A few thousand? They are expecting at least 45,000 people/day

    So roughly the same as a Liverpool home game.

    CaptainFlashheart
    Free Member

    They are expecting at least 45,000 people/day
    So roughly the same as a Liverpool home game.

    Indeed.

    Badminton is often way over 100k per day on the cross country day. Silverstone, for both the F1 and bikes, I believe to be in a similar order of magnitude (If not larger).

    Stoner
    Free Member

    British English taxpayers.

    *steps back. Watches the world burn*

    CaptainFlashheart
    Free Member

    Well, I was rather trying to set something up there, Stoner…! 😀

    Stoner
    Free Member

    fo’shame CFH 🙁

    burnsybhoy
    Free Member

    I’m going Sunday! Get in the hole!!

    mikey74
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    So roughly the same as a Liverpool home game.

    Not everyday for 6 consecutive days.

    theblackmount
    Free Member

    Get a grip FFS. Golf tourism is of huge importance to the Scottish economy as is tourism in general. This event showcases the sport and the country on a global level.

    mikey74
    Free Member

    I’d say it is, Mikey. A far, far bigger event, also involving some sportspeople doing sporting things in a large, faux-rural environment, that happens every year, and that hasn’t needed any splurging of public money on it.

    Those venues have held those events every year for decades: You’d hope they had everything sorted by now.

    Edit: Oh, and what Blackmount said.

    CaptainFlashheart
    Free Member

    Golf Three day eventing tourism is of huge importance to the Scottish English economy as is tourism in general. This event showcases the sport and the country on a global level.

    So, why does one merit the splurging of public cash like this and the other not?

    (This is fun…)

    mikey74
    Free Member

    So, why does one merit the splurging of public cash like this and the other not?

    Because the events you mention set up their infrastructure years ago.

    Plus, both Burghley and Badminton are fine examples of Britains stately homes and I’d be very much surprised if no public money found their way into their upkeep.

    matt_outandabout
    Full Member

    Not everyday for 6 consecutive days.

    No, and the copper at the entrance to our place says that they are having about half the numbers all this week, Fri/Sat/Sun then double to 40k+ visitors. Hence why we are shutting up shop on Friday apparently.

    I am not objecting, it just all seems OTT on the transport / management of things (but then I am not involved in planning such things, just a bystander).
    And it does seem that there are some ‘issues’ – how would you feel if your child lost 3 days of school, and you had to take time off work? Someone not allowed to watch golf from their own home etc?

    davidrussell
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    Outside our offices at Stirling Park and Ride, there were 19 police officers (plus many minion security guards) this morning, there are a dozen traffic lights waiting, temporary speed limits (20mph on a straight road), cones everywhere, the motorway sports lines of cones and signs and speed limits on and off…And the whole business park is apparently being shut early on Friday so the Golfists spectators don’t have to wait as long…

    i work nearby at craigforth and saw more traffic cops policing that ridiculous 20mph zone today that i have for the rest of the year in the area. so bugger them, i went along at 15mph in 2nd gear. the queue was the length of the road by the time i got to the park and ride. luckily i can boost up the m9 north to get away because the roads on tuesday round the fire station were horrendous and that was pre-5pm. friday will be carnage….

    scotroutes
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    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/golf-worth-1bn-a-year-to-scotland-s-economy-1-2953764

    It shows that the industry now generates a total of £1.171 billion in revenues and employs more than 20,000 people in Scotland – accounting for one in every 125 jobs in the country. Wages alone total £300 million.

    According to the report, once costs are taken into account, golf directly contributes £496 million to Scotland’s gross domestic product (GDP) annually, equivalent to 0.4 per cent of the country’s total economic output.

    There are now 597 golf courses across the country, supporting more than 12,300 jobs and generating annual revenues of £582 million, with at least eight golf course projects currently in the planning and development phases.

    Sales of golf equipment, clothing and accessories are worth a further £157 million a year, supporting 1,660 jobs, while golf tourism is worth at least £120 million to Scotland’s economy.
    I’d say that promoting Scottish Golfism is worth a bit of extra expenditure once every few years.

    matt_outandabout
    Full Member

    I stand corrected.

    Bring on the queues of traffic tomorrow…oh wait, I am on the train…. 😉

    Drac
    Full Member

    bugger them, i went along at 15mph in 2nd gear. the queue was the length of the road by the time i got to the park and ride.

    That’ll teach ’em. 🙄

    Houns
    Full Member

    Can’t wait! Which team are going to win?!

    davidrussell
    Free Member

    thanks Drac. i had considered doing 97 through the area but the speeding ticket would have been nothing compared to the flaming from STW’s armchair jury.

    matt_outandabout
    Full Member

    Can’t wait! Which team are going to win?!

    MussEd
    Free Member

    As a further aside, was in Edinburgh yesterday, along with a surprisingly large amount of USA supporters. Well, I made the assumption they want USA to win based on the stars n stripes shellsuits, caps, visors, fannypacks etc.

    But what really caught my eye were the Go-pros. Saw loads of bell ends with them on chest mounts, selfie sticks and even in their hands. Not sure what footage they hoped to capture, but a fair few of them will feature a devilishly handsome young(ahem) Scottish father and his two kids dishing out dirty looks at the camera’s operators for stoating about gormlessly on already crowded pavements!

    YOOOOO ESSSSSSS AYYYYY!

    Ps golf is shite but I really want Europe to win now…

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