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Britain's police watchdog today reversed its decision to allow police to investigate the death of Ian Tomlinson at the G20 protests in London last week after watching Guardian video footage of a baton-wielding officer attacking him.
The Independent Police Complaints Commission will appoint its own investigators to conduct a full criminal inquiry into whether Tomlinson was assaulted by police and whether that attack contributed to his death.
The IPCC has ordered a second postmortem examination, which aims to provide medical evidence as to what caused the death of the newspaper seller. The first attributed his death to natural causes.
Tonight, Tomlinson's family released a statement through their lawyer which said that they wanted "to thank the media for bringing crucial evidence about Ian's death to light".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/08/ian-tomlinson-video-inquiry-ipcc
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Yossarian: Fitwatch?? Fitwatch????? Better with the guardian, albeit it does support my point in that 3 separate officers reported Harewood. And that is not the same as a general Police cover up. What it actually suggests is that what cover up there might have been was by the City of London police, i.e. one tiny unit. That apart it may come as a shock to you that just because you can find something o nthe internet it does not automatically mean its true, most especially a news paper article.
Ah now this is interesting. I linked to FITwatch for a reason. Why do you prefer the guardian? Part of the mainstream 'trusted' press. How ironic, given the thread don't you think. Besides the FITwatch report was drawn directly from the IPCC report. There is no doubt that the police initially denied all knowledge, failed to disclose what they knew in a timely manner and attempted to delay and subvert the autopsy process. You may not want to accept it but it's there.
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It either had no where to go or it did have somehwere to go. These outcomes are mutually exclusive. Given it went somewhere the statement [ nowhere to go ]is wrong
Calling me names wont change this.
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Calling me names wont change this.
I wasn't it was a statement of the obvious.yossarian: Try reading what I post FFS... I'll help you this one time
You:Why do you prefer the guardian?
Me:it may come as a shock to you that just because you can find something on the internet it does not automatically mean its true, most especially a news paper article.
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Now now don't get het up. I was commenting on why you preferred my guardian link to my fitwatch one. Sorry, why is that again? Secondly I'm fully aware of the perils of believing everything you read. I'm also aware if the perils of believing 'independent' reports without reading the detail in them, or understanding their remit, or their owners, or motives...
Can you please now provide a convincing argument against collusion and cover up within the police service given the plethora of information provided?
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Factually they remain mutually exclusive.
Factually it went somewhere
Factually you are wrong
There is no defenceYou are as wrong as wrong can be and have resulted to name calling and "saving face". The result is you have just added arrogance to your stupidity and rudeness.
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Oh and Ernie a few defintions of the word argue
1. To put forth reasons for or against; debate: "It is time to stop arguing tax-rate reductions and to enact them" (Paul Craig Roberts).
2. To attempt to prove by reasoning; maintain or contend: The speaker argued that more immigrants should be admitted to the country.
3. To give evidence of; indicate: "Similarities cannot always be used to argue descent" (Isaac Asimov).
4. To persuade or influence (another), as by presenting reasons: argued the clerk into lowering the price.Apologies: You are quite right, no argument!
So you accept that 'arguing' is your word and not mine then ? Excellent.
You'd make a pisspoor lawyer btw.
Please don't tell me you're a lawyer.
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resulted to name calling and "saving face".
I'm not going to repeat myself for your benefit, but all points raised in your latest post have already been addressed by my prior ones try looking.
So you accept that 'arguing' is your word and not mine then ? Excellent.
Never in debate ernie, not for that matter particularly relevant. As above the point is already answered.... try looking.
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BermBandit - it has clearly been established that the initial police investigation was cursory at best and in most sensible peoples opinion actually lacking in rigour.
The appointment of Freddy Patel to do the PM was clearly to get the outcome the police wanted. He was a safe pair of hands and doing this would destroy the chance of a proper PM giving conclusive findings
The IPCC did not push for a rigorous investigation until the press had shown the videos that showed the various policeman's statements were incorrect.
so yes - in the tomlinson case there was an attempt to cover up the incident.
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Never in debate ernie
So why did you say : "Ernie suggesting that its a waste of time arguing with anyone over anything" then - when I clearly never said that ?
Do you just make stuff up ?
I hope you're not a copper.
Do you work for one of the tabloids ?
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Much of the above is an excellent example of why people don't get involved in STW as much as we all say that we'd like.
A bunch of cyclists arguing over the definition of the word 'argue'. Brilliant, just brilliant.
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A bunch of cyclists arguing over the definition of the word 'argue'.
Hey, I'm not "arguing over the definition of the word 'argue'". I'm arguing that I didn't say anything at all about "arguing"Get your facts right.
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Any way back to topic, Ford have pulled their advertising from NOTW.
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If someone's already posted this my apologies but thoguht I'd point it out in case people want to ign....... http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/murdoch-deal-petition#petition
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