I like that life in white, I had one in grey. Only had it for 3 months and then had it nicked. I was running it with a ronin 110mm fork. I loved the bike, great for all day rides round the peak, and fun for quick blasts around my local woods and a trip to coed-y-brenin. It definately had a more give than the 853 pa that replaced it, and I'm not sure if I could tell it apart from my soul ( not the latest cen one) in a blind test. Can't compare it to the breath I'm afraid. I've had quite a few steel frames, and whilst 853 may make a difference my leather arse isn't sensitive enough to tell that much difference and certainly not enough to put a price to that difference. For me the grade of steel I have owned has generally depended on the cash in my pocket, but I think the life is a bargain when I compare it to the price of my soul.