Whats happening to this country?

It's going to the dogs, Hora. It's all the immigrants coming over here and taking our jobs and calling their children Mohammed….

the loud and useless piece of fat that you are

That is one of the greatest insults I have ever read on here. Quality, through and through, like a hand-made Belgian chocolate. It's levels and textures are just absolutely stunning.

Juan, I bow down to your Greatness. Thank you. That has truly made my day. I am going to bookmark this, so if I ever need cheering up from this moment on, I am going to come back to this thread, and read those words. Magical.

Ladies and Gentlemen; I see no further point in continuing this discussion, other than to pay homage to a true Genius.

molgrips what do you do I want to retrain 😆

Does that mean that the minimum wage is pretty much useless?
I'm in favour of a minimum wage BTW, but if doesn't allow even a basic standard then it's not doing its job.

I'd say basic wage is unliveable in London unless you live in a council property with the reduced rent.
What can you do though? Have a two-tiered system? Higher London-weighting on the basic wage? Unworkable.

Ps. I'm not THAT fat am I? 😐

Yeah spill it molgrips.
Are you an escort?

Edit, Hora sounds like we had a similar upbringing.

toomanybikes – Member

Tron……they're from Chile, they came over here because they thought they could ge a better life by milking our benefits system, and before anyone accuses me of being xenophobic, anyone, black, white, green, yellow, british, german, chilean etc etc who think that the state owes them a living are gravely mistaken, the benefits system shouldn't be a way of receiving money to spend it on booze, fags, video games etc, unless all of those things have now become necessities of life.

toomanybikes – where in the clip did the girl request anything from the benefits system or suggest the state owes them something?? I think she was asking for a "living wage" and is that too much to ask?

I have quite a bit of sympathy with the girl as her mum and gran are going out each day and working as cleaners, how can anybody knock someone for getting up off their butts and doing a job. Cleaning is not a great job but someone has to do, so good on them. If you're working hard for a full day then I believe that you are entitled to a living wage. After a day's work her family should be able to afford to get the tube home, it's public transport, ffs – transport for the (working)public!! I would rather there was more working people like the girls family in this country than the multitude of people that can't be bothered to get up and go to work.

Some of the comments on here are very harsh. 🙄

toomanybikes – Member

Tron……they're from Chile, they came over here because they thought they could ge a better life by milking our benefits system, and before anyone accuses me of being xenophobic, anyone, black, white, green, yellow, british, german, chilean etc etc who think that the state owes them a living are gravely mistaken, the benefits system shouldn't be a way of receiving money to spend it on booze, fags, video games etc, unless all of those things have now become necessities of life.

have a look at the bbc today

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1272512/20-000-benefits-father-seven-children-video-games–pay-huge-booze-bill.html

this is the sort of scrounging scum I'm talking about, he should have his benefits cut, and his tubes, he's breeding for the benefits, and, mine and your taxes are paying for this scrounger to get p'ssed every day, this is what Labour has spawned over the past 13 years.
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Sez the bloke who also said, quote :

"and if it takes 5 years of Tory government to bring down the welfare bill, well then so be it, 'cos Labour won't do it, and we will just end up like Greece."

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It was the Greek Tories/Free-Marketeers who screwed up their country and left it up Shit Creek without a paddle !!!
…..you really know what's what !!! And you've really got your finger on the pulse – ain't you fella ? 😀

In fact, it's now been left to the Greek socialists to try and pick up the pieces and sort things out.

Unfortunately the Greek free-market tories have left the country in such a mess, that's it's proving extremely difficult for the Socialists to comply with the demands of the EU/IMF, and huge upheavals and social unrest are now gripping Greece.

The Acropolis in Athens yesterday :

How long before the Tories screw up Britain that much too, eh ?

I know someone like you, whose brain is so packed up with fat, will fail to understand such concept, but I think it's important to try to explain it.

😆

Oh Lord; Juan's well and truly done you there Hora. Well and truly.

Umm Ernie, I think that (Labour) ship has already sailed mate.

Latest forecasts show Britain's debt at 88% of GDP in 2011/12, well above the eurozone permitted maximum of 60%.

Britain's annual deficit is also running at more than four times the eurozone permitted ceiling of 3% of GDP.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7681272/General-Election-2010-new-government-must-tackle-rising-debt-says-EU.html

Not quite as bad as Greece but hardly a model to be followed, eh?
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In fact, it's now been left to the Greek socialists to try and pick up the pieces and sort things out.

Don't you mean going cap in hand to the IMF?

Just one quote for you;

The 2004 Athens Games played like a classic Greek Tragedy. Originally budgeted at $5.7 billion, revised to $7.2 billion, final estimations for the Athens Games have costs somewhere between $8.5 and $12 billion

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1036373/Abandoned-derelict-covered-graffiti-rubbish-What-left-Athens-9billion-Olympic-glory.html

'Some of the attitudes displayed on here merely prove my point about Selfish Britain'….

I second the above….very sad to read some of the comments

molgrips – Member

For example, I'm fairly workshy, I absolutely hate working and get very bored very quickly. However it so happens that I naturally have an aptitude for something that is in demand and not so many people are as good at it as I am. So I make a good living. Fair? No..and it has it's risks,like the time Boy George chained me to his wall… but fortunate, hell yes.

Not quite as bad as Greece but hardly a model to be followed, eh?

No of course not !!! 😀

New Labour followed the neo-liberal free-market model !

Although when the shit hit the fan they, temporarily at least, partially abandoned it.

But to suggest that the Tories could somehow offer a different, better, non neo-liberal free-market model, is quite frankly ridiculous.

well, as we are still living in a democracy we're all entitled to our opinions, though sometimes I wonder on this forum

Hora that article is diabolical. Talk about subtly manipulating the tone and theme of the article to make a political point. Shameless.

Greece built facilities AND THEN hit the skids in a recession. The two things may or may not be linked to some extent. Any new facility could have been the same. I know of office buildings in Cardiff that went empty for years after 2001.

It also says 'the only beneficiaries will be big business' at least twice. WTF does that mean? Only small companies should benefit? Who the hell works for these 'big businesses' anyway? Normal people, that's who.

Grr. Peddling ignorance. Stifling people's ability to think for themselves for your own political aims – should be bloody well illegal.

Check yourself into the Molgrips Retard Clinic (see earlier thread) asap. Well, as soon as it opens anyway.

as we are still living in a democracy we're all entitled to our opinions, though sometimes I wonder on this forum

So what's your problem then ?……….you don't like the opinions that some people have been expressing ?

I know but the cost is mind-boggling. Thats 3,000,000,000 pints of ale. Crackers.

TMB At least you gave your Nick-Griffin-esque pish clout by posting the Daily Mail link….

ernie……….I have no trouble with anyones opinions, though it does seem that some people have an issue with mine, but as I said, i'm entitled to them

it does seem that some people have an issue with mine

Yes, I have an issue with your opinion……….I don't agree with it.

Where's the problem then ?

Although when the shit hit the fan they, temporarily at least, partially abandoned it.

That's a bit generous ern! They shat themselves that some of the largest contributors to GDP dropped a large collective bollock and then threw money at them. During this, they (the banks) continued to take the p1ss (bonus', payoffs etc etc).
I would not class this as a return to socialism, more of an absolute necessity (IMHO of course). Any govt would have done the same. I say keep the shares and rinse the bastards!

But to suggest that the Tories could somehow offer a different, better, non neo-liberal free-market model, is quite frankly ridiculous.

My elementary economics training tells me that a free market is a free market, neo liberal or not. Is that incorrect? (honest question)

why have you assumed I'm BNP, if you must know I think they're an odious bunch who will just, hopefully, fade fom everyones sight after the election, but of course, if my views do not lean firmly to the left, I must be BNP……….in some peoples eyes

ernie………..as i said, i have no issue with your views, but you seem to be working yourself up about mine

There's I live in the Home Counties and everything's lovely right wing; and then there's,

"Tron……they're from Chile, they came over here because they thought they could ge a better life by milking our benefits system."

I'd put you (and Griffin) in the latter category.

oh well, sorry to disappoint but I'm not.

I don't think that any 'free' market is actually completely free, is it? We learned a bit about that in 1929 I think. Adjectives in addition to the word 'free' would attempt to describe the amount of regulation involved I think.

Not what? I'm not actually suggesting you're in the BNP, simply that they'd welcome you based on your posts.

a free market is a free market, neo liberal or not. Is that incorrect?

Neo liberal is generally used to refer to recent moves (last 30 years) towards an unregulated "laissez-faire" free-market economy. We had a more regulated free-market economy before that.

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toomanybikes – Member

ernie………..as i said, i have no issue with your views

Really ?………you agree with me ? Excellent ! 😀

ernie……..no, i think we'll agree to disagree,

I don't think that any 'free' market is actually completely free, is it?

Not imo. But it supposedly is, in the opinion (or at least the alleged opinion) of those who sing it's virtues.

Unregulated as in privatisation of services?, the absolute opposite to the centrally controlled model?
I was shown that at one end of the scale was free market and at the other was centrally controlled and that no country on earth was purely either, but that some were closer to the free market (the US etc) and some closer to the centrally controlled (north korea etc).
So labour are actually trying to be less socialist (economically) than the tories?
I thought you liked socialism?

"So labour are actually trying to be less socialist (economically) than the tories?"

😕

"I thought you liked socialism?"

And ? 😕

Gotta log out, but if it helps, I reckon New Labour believed, well Gordon Brown did at least – Tony Blair doesn't believe in anything apart from pampering his own arse and ego, that they could manage the free-market better than the Tories. There's probably some truth in that, but since you've already accused me of 'liking socialism', I'm entirely sure why you appear to think I should be more supportive of them.

Not accusing ern, probably more misunderstanding.

Not accusing ern

LOL ! It was an accusation ! And I plead guilty ! 8)

Right had another look.

Both her Mother and Grandmother work in the 'treasury'….(hmmm)

The last 20secs are very telling.

They are a Labour stunt. Look at the pledges of Labour (laptop for every family, child cover and a relook(?) at (living) minimum wage.

M6TTF – Member

chewkw – Member
Did she cry for an iMac 24"?

no because everyone knows they're obsolete – it's all about the 27" baby

Bloody hell … 27"!!! I feel the pain! I want! I Want! I WANT!

Now that makes me cry too … I am still using my 10 yrs old plus Dell P-III laptop with 512MB RAM. Sssshhhhiiittt …

I guess I should cry for iPod, iPhone, touchpad whatever, you have I want your fault kind of stuff I do not have, Hons degree in celebrity study, spend borrowed money I cannot payback …

So don't you even dare offer me anything less than Pentium i7 core processor cos that will make me look poor.

😈

hora – Member

Look at the pledges of Labour (laptop for every family, child cover and a relook(?) at (living) minimum wage.

Yes, Super thin laptop with i7 Core. Yes!

Yes, the children must wear DKNY, Gucci etc., otherwise infringe on the human rights of the children by making them look poor.

Yes, minimum wage … minimum work and maximum credit spending. Yes!

😆

Seeing as how Juan has been banned by the looks of it can I just say that I agree with him

Has Juan been banned? No way?!? What for???

I do hope not. I don't think that would be fair really. Granted, he went off on one, but come on, it was brilliant!

I'm sure Hora's not too bothered by it. Water off a duck's back..

Thing is, if you make provocative statements, you're going to get a response. Hora knows this; it's why he does it, ffs! I mean, why do we post on here, if it's not to gain attention?

BRING BACK JUAN! JUSTICE FOR THE FRENCH JUAN! FREE JUAN NOW!

Can't she get tax credits?

I didn't watch the whole clip, but why did they come to England, Chillie isn't that bad of a place.

Still here 😀
I have been doing real world stuff, fixing the car, bbqing, putting the little one to bed and so and so.

But as for above I learnt from the best…