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  • STW Junior Designer job £15.6k- did I read that right?
  • ads-b
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    Thats not exactly massively over minimum wage.

    When I started my job 11 years ago out of Uni in one of the worst paid grad careers I was on £15.5k (engineer). And I really struggled on that in 2000.

    Is it just me?

    Ladders
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    More than I got in my first job after leaving Uni!

    binners
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    Capitalism innit? Supply and demand. Companies have been jettisoning graphic designers left, right and centre. A lot of agencies have folded. So there is a huge pool of experienced, highly skilled applicants for every position

    Having been looking for a job in Design, albeit at a senior level, I’d say salaries have dropped 30% or more, across the board, in the industry. I can’t imagine its the only industry this is happening. Companies will pay as little as they can get away with for the skills they need

    Actually – that doesn’t sound a bad salary at all for a juniors position. A lot more than I started on! I suspect it’d be a great first industry job. You’d learn loads!

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    sc-xc
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    That seems alright. Is the role business core?

    julioflo
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    This is also true for Product Design. I work in the Marine industry, where yacht and boat builders production is down and design teams have been culled….so with not many jobs around employers can ‘get away’ with offering low salaries.

    ads-b
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    But £15.6k! I know nothing about Lancashire, but am guessing the bin men get paid more than that. For someone who has worked for 3 years at Uni unpaid, and come out with the skills on the list- well Im just surprised.

    Not intending to turn this in to a debate of going to Uni vs Not by the way.

    Ladders
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    I’d have killed for a Junior Designer job paying that after leaving Uni! Took me a year to get a job remotely doing what I wanted, and that paid, wait for it, £8.5k! I was getting less than a boy who’d done a years HND or something after doing GCSE’s!

    iDave
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    I’m sure no one will apply if it’s seen as derisory. IMO it’s a new job that ST have created, good for them, starts someone off. And I’m sure they get to drink great coffee and touch bling bikes.

    binners
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    Right! As a graphic designer you don’t actually know shit about the ‘real’ industry when you graduate. You just couldn’t cope with a fast paced publishing environment straight away.

    So a junior position is perfect. I would imagine whoever gets this job will learn more in 6 months than they did in 3 years at uni. And they’ll get paid for doing it!

    Bin men get paid more, but a junior designer can end up as an Art Director within a relatively short timescale. I did! And Ladders… I started off on about the same

    BoardinBob
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    Seems about right for a fresh graduate. Our entry level graduate roles are around the £16k mark.

    Kryton57
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    ads-b – Member
    But £15.6k! I know nothing about Lancashire, but am guessing the bin men get paid more than that. For someone who has worked for 3 years at Uni unpaid, and come out with the skills on the list- well Im just surprised.

    Bin man average Salary = 19k
    http://www.mysalary.co.uk/average-salary/Refuse_Collector_9691

    ads-b
    Free Member

    People will work for free in this day and age- but there is a moral dilema about using interns which could also apply to some level to low paid salaries I would have thought (still not actually saying £15.6k is low- just to me it sounds low).

    Heres a statistic for you. In 2009 the amount of employers paying 16-19k for a graduate was 3.6%. There isnt even a stat for below 16k.

    STAT

    will
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    It’s not huge money yes, but as a grad at the moment you take what you can get!

    We have just employed a new grad surveyor on a years contract, and paying him around £13,000. Essentially a placement year, but he has finished uni. he’s just happy to have a job!

    I don’t know this, but I woudl guess as a national average a starting grad salary is around £17,000pa.

    MrSmith
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    someone who has worked for 3 years at Uni unpaid, and come out with the skills on the list

    Art school graduates are not the finished article though and will usually need on the lob training before they know how it’s done in the ‘real world’
    seems perfectly reasonable considering the size of the publication, it’s location in a grim northern town and the current economic climate.

    aracer
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    But £15.6k! I know nothing about Lancashire, but am guessing the bin men get paid more than that.

    Since the usual suspects haven’t yet piped up, the question is, why shouldn’t a binman earn more than a junior designer? I bet most junior designers wouldn’t rather sit in a comfy office playing on a computer than be outside collecting bins.

    crispedwheel
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    Part-funded by the EU as well.

    deadlydarcy
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    Not bad for clicking, doing powerpoint, using PaintShopPro, colouring in and shit.

    A bit of danger money for using a scalpel would be a nice touch though.

    ads-b
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    See link above- average starting salary is nearer 20k. But probably not comparable when taking location and career into account though.

    argyle
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    some juniors get paid less.

    TheSouthernYeti
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    Some people come out of Uni into slavery internships.

    prezet
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    £15.5k is good for coloring stuff in and buying a pair of skinny jeans and espadrilles… 😛

    will
    Free Member

    Ok. Just checked, and according to this link: http://www.highfliers.co.uk/download/GMReport11.pdf

    Average graduate salaries are £29,000!!

    binners
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    A bit of danger money for using a scalpel would be a nice touch though.

    Taking the end of your finger off is a right of passage DD. Wear those scars with pride 😀

    fervouredimage
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    But £15.6k! I know nothing about Lancashire, but am guessing the bin men get paid more than that. For someone who has worked for 3 years at Uni unpaid, and come out with the skills on the list- well Im just surprised.

    I can live without another graphic designer in the world but if my bins don’t get collected….

    rewski
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    Is it just me?

    Probably not on here, but I don’t think it’s appropriate to criticise the salary on here, you may put people off applying. I worked for free for a month to get my foot in the door. It winds me up that people expect a high wage just because…

    Looks like a great opportunity for the right person.

    Ladders
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    Not bad for clicking, doing powerpoint, using PaintShopPro, colouring in and shit.

    Oh!, you meant not bad for having to have a natural artistic talent in the first place, learning Quark, InDesign, Illustrator, Photoshop and how to output to print.

    prezet
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    They’re all high as kites off spray mount anyway…

    deadlydarcy
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    Ladders, I think binners would explain my standpoint on this one. (I’m only messing 😛 )

    ohnohesback
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    I suppose that there would be plenty of shiny bikes and bits as part of the package?

    binners
    Full Member

    I can live without another graphic designer in the world

    I’m hurt!

    Actually…. we were having a discussion about what the name would be for a collective of designers. A gaggle of geese, a pod of dolphins…… an irrelevance of designers? 😆

    And Ladders…. DD’s better half is a graphic designer. He’s just jealous of the superior colouring-in ability 😉

    I’ll tell you what… I’d have bloody jumped at that chance if I was a graduate!!! Sounds like a cracking opportunity

    fervouredimage
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    I’m hurt!

    I wasn’t having a dig, honest. 😉

    I just don’t think it’s shocking that a Binman should earn more than Junior Designer. He absolutely should in fact.

    deadlydarcy
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    And it is a northern salary – I imagine £15.6K is a veritable small fortune up there. You could buy a whole terrace in some parts of Sheffield with that kind of money.

    IHN
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    I think you’ll find that the collective noun you seek is ‘ponce’ 🙂

    Ladders
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    Ladders, I think binners would explain my standpoint on this one. (I’m only messing )

    Sorry, it was the mention of ‘Graphic Design’ and ‘Powerpoint’ being used in the same sentance! 😉

    binners
    Full Member

    😆

    prezet
    Free Member

    Back to the OP – having just come out of Uni/Art school – I would have bitten someones arm off of that wage and to work on something that actually interests you. Instead my first role was knocking up technical brochures for boilers (not exactly the vision I had when doing my BA).

    Happy to say I’ve left the world of design behind (mainly because I was shit), and am now their arch enemy – the developer.

    mastiles_fanylion
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    Ladders – Member
    I’d have killed for a Junior Designer job paying that after leaving Uni! Took me a year to get a job remotely doing what I wanted, and that paid, wait for it, £8.5k! I was getting less than a boy who’d done a years HND or something after doing GCSE’s!
    POSTED 14 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST

    Unless things have changed it takes 4 years to get a HND – 2 years at OND then a further 2 years.

    That’s what it took me albeit 20+ years ago.

    First job offer was £3k a year. Turned that down and got one starting at £7k

    I honestly don’t think that is a bad starting salary for a designer – they take loads of real training once graduated as they don’t have the technical competence to design to specification yet.

    deadlydarcy
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    Sorry, it was the mention of ‘Graphic Design’ and ‘Powerpoint’ being used in the same sentance!

    Mrs Bravissimo is easy to wind up, believe me.

    jimbobrighton
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    I think that’s fair for the location and the job/industry.

    my girlfriend at the time started her graphic designer job in an industry that made a LOT of cash. her first job started on £14k (five or six years ago now) in London.

    To be fair I think a lot of graduates these days are bitterly dissappointed with their earning potential straight out of uni unless they are in certain industries.

    Must be a bitter pill to swallow having racked up £30k of debt invested in your future to be worse off than many unskilled jobs.

    That said, the bin man analogy isn’t very fair. What would you rather be doing? sitting in STW towers playing with bling bikes and creating interesting work (as well as the dross, but that’s just life) or emptying bins? I’d take the financial hit every time*

    *If I could draw, which I can’t.

    And anyway, I bet refuse collectors get bloody fed up, as they always are used in the shit salary comparison “XXXX?? even a bin man gets more than that”

    _tom_
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    I’ve had a years experience after uni and still only on £14.5k (goes up to 15 after 3 months) at a tv studio. I don’t know how the guys with families can afford to work there, the shifts would be shite for anyone who isn’t single as well. In this industry I think to start out with it’s all about getting the experience and enough money to get by on.

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