How about DW? I've been impressed at the grip, lack of bob and lack of fiddling. Leave shock fully open end of unless you particularly want to stomp on the pedals on a tarmac hill.
Specialized's Rear Suspension set up.Impressed! is it the best?
I wonder if complicated suspension platforms are just compensating for people pedalling like gorillas?I really liked my coil single pivot, my first FSer, very plush but it weighed a fair bit and air shocks were becoming de rigeur so when I wanted a new frame my reasoning went coil shocks are plusher than air so I'll need a more elegant suspension design for an air shock to match it. No doubt flawed logic.
IIRC lowey of this parish bought a DW turner and for the first few weeks he was convinced it was trying to kill him, tucking and bucking at various inopportune moments. He had a chat with Mr Turner, set the shock up as per his advice and now loves it.
Even though others have said (including a bike designer), get past the "layout" of the suspension, it tells you nothing. Yes a maestro will be optimised a certain way, fsr will be optimised in a different way, but they're variations on the same layout. However a maestro and fsr could perform identically if the designers had the same design beliefs. What is different is what the designer has CHOSEN to optimise certain trait based on THEIR design beliefs, whose beliefs may or may not syncronise with YOUR beliefs.
Plus that age old saying "you can't have your cake and eat it". It's all a balancing act of compromises, comprimises that are dictacted by the designer, not the general layout of suspension.
But it's always felt like a lot of "suspension innovation" is really just lawyer-avoidance.There's a lot of legal engineering involved, yes. It's interesting how well sealed most of the newer US ones are now, or become after a revision or 2. I think a lot of it is bllx and a SP has a lot going for it still.
Interesting. I do wonder how many people have actually ridden a lot of different designs. Of a similar era. Its easy to say that one is better than another but when you take the component into account then its a different ball game. I believe that the shock tune will effect the way it feels a lot more than the type of linkage its self. It is entirely possible to get a horst link with a cheap shock to feel rubbish compared to a sp with one of these new fangled super dooper socks. and visa versa.
However its different stokes for different blokes. Some people like 29ers, some people dont. its all in the individual. Personally (and riding a 2013 five) i think the horst link is a very good design. I also think half of them are made up marketing gimmicks.
I believe that the shock tune will effect the way it feels a lot more than the type of linkage its self.
I think that definitely plays a large part, especially in these days of platforms and double barrels.
I think it also depends on how much you like changing bearings. Worthy of consideration if you plan on keeping a suss bike for more than a year...
Going out with a mixed bunch of riders up and down stuff all on different pivot/suspension linkages tells me repeatedly that the differences are small these days and that the evolution and refinement of technology is such that they all work well.
The biggest variable factor on a bicycle (of a reasonable quality not an ASDA two for £99 special) is the rider.
The mathematics show this is the best design. You will be very happy to ride this bike.
The mathematics show this is the best design. You will be very happy to ride this bike!
best suspension bike I owned for trail riding and all round hooligan action was my Devinci Dixon with the DW designed Split Pivot suspension, Fox RP23 with Fox air volume tuning kit.
Have owned lots of VPP, simple single pivots and FSR / four-bar (horst pivot) and faux-bar bikes, probably 40+ suspension bikes in total.
The Dixon had the balance of a bike that could be hammered under power without bouncing or squatting (an issue with my FSR's), whilst maintaining amazing traction on horrible terrain, especially when braking hard.
Don't claim to understand the science, it just plain worked. Rarely touched the pro-pedal level on the RP23 shock, unlike on my FSR where is was constantly used to increase compression damping and make the bike somewhat pedallable
the other thing I really liked about the Dixon is that each pivot had the same (large) sealed bearing and sensible hard wearing axle pivot hardware, which meant it rarely required any looking after!
There's no 'best' suspension design. I have a Horst link & a single pivot - both work brilliantly, but both were vastly improved with a shock tune (tuned to my liking you understand).
Northwind touched on to earlier talking about his Orange - you ride the one that makes you smile the most. Try lots out and short list a few to try again once you've got an idea of what you like.
Split Pivot, as far as pedalling goes, is a single pivot. The only difference is it's difference in distribution of braking forces.
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