I understand isis are despicable in every way, a bunch of genocidal megalomaniacs.
They need to be destroyed, not tolerated, humoured or understood.

And that is exactly their attitude of ‘us’.

It’s no different. You think you’re right. They think they’re right. And both parties believe murder is justifiable.

The only way to truly move forward is to understand this behaviour and learn from it.

esselgruntfuttock can you help?

no one answered before – when in the torture porn circle jerk do I stroke the engorged member of my fellow keybord hard nut to the right or the left?

chip

heres a selection for you

Chip once they get radicalised your the fruit loop

In essence one and the same, the problem comes when the fence sitters and hand wringers don’t understand why jihadi john has cultivated enough crop to be sending em back here inside the castle walls

Its moot a few hundred years we will be killing each other for other world resources, probably the Chinese v islamics will be last men standing

Surely that’s a bit of a self selecting group?

Don’t get me wrong it would be great, and I don’t want to sound like I’m crapping over your view. I think it’s just a clash of my pessimism vs your optimism…

They probably are a self selecting group but they do tend to end up in high powered jobs back home, so personally I think we should be putting in a lot of effort into creating as much friendly dialogue with them as possible.

We come onto another point of mine which is that I don’t think universities do enough in the UK to promote university spirit and intercultural events, a lot of them seem almost segregated.

the fence sitters and hand wringers don’t understand

somewhere a muslim is radicalising people with the exact same meme about Muslims

Babysit for my kids is that the level of “debate”.

Other players… now there’s a term.

Ever stopped to think where IS get their money?

They have come from nowhere to number 1 problem within months.

That doesn’t just happen without backing

And no, l don’t know who is/are funding them.

But it stinks and think we should limit our exposure to it

I will bet they are also copying the bit of text that suits their arguments needs also

So yes your almost right

You are comparing this sick monster to me, saying our beliefs are the same.
Do you believe he is a sick monster or Isis are a perfectly rational and should be tolerated.

There’s a more interesting discussion to be had rather than some torture porn circle jerk. Sorry.

I answered the OP & I don’t have a clue what your’e on about. Sorry.

esselgruntfuttock can you help?

I answered the OP & I don’t have a clue what your’e on about (either). Sorry.

I’ll repeat in case you didn’t catch it, Kill this crank & his ilk but don’t publicise it.

That is my answer to the OP.

Nite.

I struggle to understand how a person can hold so much hate to do this. As has been said, he needs brought to justice, receive a fair trial and if guilty locked away forever. I am sure this is the last thing he wants or expects.

See that Jihadi John Junkyard ? …….. you fancy him you do.

Why don’t you marry him ?

He’s your dad he is.

at least I know mine 😉

You are comparing this sick monster to me, saying our beliefs are the same.

I am saying you are both full of hate
I am saying you will both kill the other one for your beliefs
More hate and more killing wont help the situation so your METHODS and response is the same as his

Do you believe he is a sick monster or Isis are a perfectly rational and should be tolerated

Of course I disagree with what he does, but he is an excellent babysitter and such reasonable rates.

You say that, but I bet the fridge is empty when you get home.

Before I did anything rash, I’d consult a variety of sources in an attempt to ensure he is who he seems to be.

If by magic we were in a room and he was restrained, I would question him extensively, studying his body language as he answered, then research all the links he provided me with.

Furthermore, I’d also look more deeply into the background of his victims, just to make sure they were who the media said they were.

And I’d also fully research the videos themselves for any clues of tampering or fakery.

Given all that research, what do you think I’d find?

Another question I’d ask him is how he had his timing and strategy so bang on; not only did he do a marvelous job of coinciding with the NATO conference, but he also targeted hostages of just the right nationalities to give the countries who wanted to invade Syria anyway an excuse to do so on the sly.

He even had the decency to have a British accent, so as to forge mistrust and fear of Muslims within the UK and stir racial tensions.

What a stroke of luck!

This clowns not a Muslim.
He’s a fruit loop.

Another question I’d ask him is how he had his timing and strategy so bang on; not only did he do a marvelous job of coinciding with the NATO conference, but he also targeted hostages of just the right nationalities to give the countries who wanted to invade Syria anyway an excuse to do so on the sly.

He even had the decency to have a British accent, so as to forge mistrust and fear of Muslims within the UK and stir racial tensions.

What a stroke of luck!

It doesn’t take a genius or the CIA to kidnap every white person you see until you have a few dozen Americans and Brits, then look up the Nato conference date on your mobile phone.

You say that, but I bet the fridge is empty when you get home.

Errrr

Another question I’d ask him is how he had his timing and strategy so bang on; not only did he do a marvelous job of coinciding with the NATO conference, but he also targeted hostages of just the right nationalities to give the countries who wanted to invade Syria anyway an excuse to do so on the sly.
He even had the decency to have a British accent, so as to forge mistrust and fear of Muslims within the UK and stir racial tensions.
What a stroke of luck!

Why hide behind sarcasm.

Just make whatever accusation you are hinting at ?

Why choose selective pieces to quote, whilst avoiding other questions?

Maybe if you were genuinely interested, you’d research these matters for yourself and come up with your own conclusions..

Before I did anything rash, I’d consult a variety of sources in an attempt to ensure he is who he seems to be.

If by magic we were in a room and he was restrained, I would question him extensively, studying his body language as he answered, then research all the links he provided me with.

Furthermore, I’d also look more deeply into the background of his victims, just to make sure they were who the media said they were.

And I’d also fully research the videos themselves for any clues of tampering or fakery.

Given all that research, what do you think I’d find?

That way you’d be better informed, without excessive bias from my perspective.

Unless you need to be told what to think?

you are right he forgot to quote the bit where you quoted yourself and then replied

Now everyone knows I like a good cut and paste but even i draw the line at quoting myself and replying 😛

It doesn’t take a genius or the CIA to kidnap every white person you see until you have a few dozen Americans and Brits, then look up the Nato conference date on your mobile phone.

Well perhaps it isn’t quite as easy as it seems it should be, if that was their intention, as jivebunny claims, then they failed miserably – none of the beheadings coincided with the NATO conference.

This chap has help murder three innocent people. He should be executed in the same way Nazi killers were executed for the holocaust.

after a conviction following a full criminal trial before a duly constituted international tribunal?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials

I think jivehoneys point is that the cia/nato/they organised it all as an excuse for another jolly good adventure in the sand and to keep the arms manufacturers happy etc. Which is only slightly more bonkers than some of the kill him and all his family posts.

These are not conflicts that can be won, killing the people doing this won’t get rid of their ideas. Bombing them from a great height will only fuel their propaganda. Be prepared for a lot of videos of dead children being linked to air strikes, the media aware angle is one of the most worrying parts for me.

Now everyone knows I like a good cut and paste but even i draw the line at quoting myself and replying

OK, maybe I’m too lazy to do the research myself at the mo and I’m nagging like a 6 year old so someone else will do it for me; extra points if you do actually manage to restrain and question Jihadi John

Why choose selective pieces to quote

Because what I quoted, was the bit that was relevant to the question I asked you.

whilst avoiding other questions?

Nobody has asked me any questions.

Point out where they have and I’ll gladly answer them.

Maybe if you were genuinely interested you’d research these matters for yourself and come up with your own conclusions..

And where do you get the idea I haven’t?

That way you’d be better informed, without excessive bias from my perspective.

You’re just going to have to trust me on this.

Your perspective, doesn’t have any effect at all, on what I think about anything.

..Unless you need to be told what to think?

What have a I said about this subject that would lead you believe that ?

Quote please.

PS.

You didn’t answer my question.

Why hide behind sarcasm.

Why not just make your point ? Accuse away.

OK, maybe I’m too lazy to do the research …..

I suspect that’s probably true. It took me several seconds to figure out that the NATO Conference occurred on 4/5 Sept and that no one was executed on those two days.

Well, 10,000 up votes for “bomb them all” and 200 down votes on the Daily Heils comments section.

I’m glad the British are finally showing their sense of proportionality, like those same Daily Mailers ask of Israelis. Keep calm and carry on hey.

I’m not going to think about this anymore, waste of my time, I’m going to switch off my brain and get my fill of nihilist humour from “It’s always sunny in Philly”. **** stupid humans.

It took me several seconds to figure out that the NATO Conference occurred on 4/5 Sept and that no one was executed on those two days.

Fair point but you wouldn’t expect it to happen on those days themselves as the conference delegates would be busy negotiating; the scene has to be set beforehand, the threat level raised for ample dramatic effect.

Lets get this down to basics:

Do the government have a history of lying?

Are there links between the media and government?

Which is more profitable, War or Peace?

Who profits from war?

Do you have a history of coming up with conspiracy theories ?

Peace. Wars have this magical propensity for stuffing up world trade.

Peace. Wars have this propensity to stuff up world trade.

I like that theory, just wish world leaders shared your viewpoint

These are not conflicts that can be won, killing the people doing this won’t get rid of their ideas.

It will stop them from killing the innocent people they were on their way to kill when the got bombed.

Bombs have big blast radiuses. Bombs should only be used in an actual full on shooting match to protect your own soldiers and civilians, not for targeted killings in residential areas.

It’s like hitting a wasp on a hornets nest with a jack hammer.

Use smaller bombs.

Do you have a history of coming up with conspiracy theories ?

I have a history of questioning the system and exposing a large number of truths that are generally hidden from mass media…

When you think about it, our understanding of all the most intrinsic factors of our existence and surroundings are conspiracy theory:

Researched facts, pieced together with conjecture

Small bombs the size of grenades will not be accurate enough, less mass means they tend to disperse more over long distances. You want to kill people with no causalities then you have to get up close and personal. It’s that simple.

Bombing will achieve not one military objective outside of maybe protecting kurds etc. People over estimate just how “awesome” military hardware is.

chip – Member

These are not conflicts that can be won, killing the people doing this won’t get rid of their ideas.

It will stop them from killing the innocent people they were on their way to kill when the got bombed.[/quote]
and one fighter becomes a martyr and 10 more take his place.

Bomb them when they are trying to take a city whilst working with the people on the ground to defend that city.
Stopping them taking a city easier from the skies while they are meeting resistance from with in.

Once a city has fallen then you have to take it back on the ground.

and one fighter becomes a martyr and 10 more take his place.

Kill them too.

They don’t always operate like that though, they use a mix of conventional and insurgent tactics. How can you bomb an army that slowly filters into a city unbeknownst to the security services? An army like ISIS will do their utmost best never to be caught out in the open.

And then where does the edge of a city start? Where do you draw the lines as to where the bombs fall. “Oh, they’ve crossed the ring road! Can’t drop the bombs now!” No, the bombs carry on falling and children and women start dying.

That’s what the public and politicians don’t get, they have completely unrealistic expectations of what the military can do. Force needs to be used, with careful thought about your objectives and the potential outcomes.