… XC champs at Inners today. Great course and some great racing. Some of the people racing cant ride techy stuff worth shit though. Elite level XC riders should not really be walking down/mincing down relatively easy descents. Congratulations to the winners and hopefully those that broke themselves heal quickly.
Interesting; I would expect the selection process to get to that level would involve weeding out the less talented, instead of relying just on cardio fitness.
No excuse for walking. They should've been slaughtered whilst out on the trail as well as on the internet. I know i would've been shouting at them to get back on the bike.
If walking a section is both quicker and means you don't crash and injure yourself, then walking the section will mean that you have more chance of winning.
Funny thing is, competitive racing is about winning, not about showing off your mad skillz, dood.
Also, why do some racers get off and run up a hill they could ride up? Because it would be quicker and use less energy, therefore giving them more chance to win. After all, that is what it's all about….
I wasn't there, so I'm not going to get into this course, all I know is what I've heard from the people I've spoken to, but why do you Scots seem to think a good XC course is a long dull climb, followed by a crazy descent?
I'm happy for courses to be more technical, it's not particularly what I like, but I don't see a problem with a variety of courses. But from what I've heard of this course, and my experience of the 2007 BUSA champs at Dunkeld they're just rubbish courses! Make them technical yes ok, to prove how manly you guys are or whatever, but why not have lots of little ups and downs, or make the climbs interesting or something!?
Aberfoyle SXC had a real beggar of a techy climb, as did the SSUKs and SXCs at Drumlanrig. Relentless had some really mean climbs. It's actually pleasant to have a climb at a race rather than a flat drag. Real world rides tend to have long climbs then tough descents, not short ups and downs that don't test stamina or endurance.
on the same token thought nick ….we cant have em flat – like a dirt crit
everytime ive been in engerland doing racing (admittedly probably as often as you been up here )its been on something better suited to a cross bike …..
All the elite XC riders I've ever seen at events are absolutely fantastic at descending. Proper balls out over seriously techy stuff, they ride bikes offroad, ALL THE TIME. Mid level I know a few guys who are great but IME, this is where the poor descenders reside. Guys with a road biking background who can typically do well in amateur races because they're so fit, but bottle it at the first dip in the track.
well said lukey i agree – todays ride for me was 1 big climb – 1 excellent downhill – 1 big climb and 1 excellent descent – but i guess in scotland we have big enough hills for rides like that 😉
Dirt Crit you say… Sounds like some of the events they had at Sherwood Pines when I used to live down that way. No skill needed whatsoever, just the ability to hurt for a couple of hours. Thetford is the same. For my money that isn't mountain bike racing.
No, no, I totally agree, definitely don't want flat courses, although I don't see the problem with having one flat course in a series, mixes things up a bit. What I don't like is having a long dull climb, followed by a single descent. Why not have lots of climbs, like Dalby or Drumlanrig does, it's much much much more interesting!
Anyway the race yesterday didn't have an 'Elite' race per se, it had an Over 23 and an Under 23, which are amalgamations of Expert and Elite, many Experts can't ride bikes for shit, myself included! The vast majority of actual Elites are pretty handy.
not many of our courses go straight up/straight down nick.
but its the way inners is, but it was hardly a dull climb, nice bit of singeltrack, broken up here and there with a flowing middle and a descent…
less than 500m of fireroad in the entire race (the trudge round the field was terrible, but thats the only way back in, since it ran through the arena/ and the only place big enough for the start).
to compare it to something you'd know nick, the 2nd big descent at dalby (that medusa's drop was it?) that whole descent would be pretty similar to the inners tracks used, except inners (by being more in the forest) is a bit more of a loamy track, and got a bit muddy with the rain…
the busa xc track (or descent) was more technical.
despite the signs
it was a dh track back in the day, when dh started and inners was a big scene. but if you sent the national dh race down the tracks we used, people would be pretty pissed at having such a shit track.
its fairly technical on an xc bike. but on a dh bike, it would be like us rolling down glentress blue!!
xc mtb'ing shouldn't be won by the fittest person. You should be able to show fitness, riding and climbing quickly, and show techincal ability, descending well.