But.. as the dog owner, I would have asked “what do you want me to do?”

how about not assuming that people enjoying a day out don’t want to have to enjoy it in the company of your dog

-which would have been thought as I go get the dog

FENTON!

Are you within your rights to kick the dog to get it to move away from you? Why do dog owners presume because they don’t mind something that sniffs dogs arses sniffing them, it’s alright for the rest of the public to get the same attention?

Thats fine, ignore the sign if you want.

But, if your dog and it is an ‘if’ decides to play tag with a new born lamb don’t expect the farmer to give your dog a further warning before he showers it with red hot lead!

Yeah. They might end up like these two.

http://www.burtonmail.co.uk/News/Shot-dead-by-farmers-gun-20102011.htm

big_n_daft – how about not assuming that people enjoying a day out don’t want to have to enjoy it in the company of your dog

He/she was accepting to the idea of a dog in their life to begin with. I suppose it becomes an issue of who was there first if you want to go that route.

They didn’t really do anything wrong.

And then:

Really, their dog should have returned when called, if it didn’t return, then they should have walked over and returned it manually.

So 2 things they did wrong.

“come on control your dog a bit better you can see she’s a little nervous”

Instead of, ‘you couldn’t grab your dog could you please, just that she’s a bit scared of big dogs thats all, thanks!’

Yes, he could maybe have been a bit more diplomatic, but it’s not all on him to make everything go smoothly- he was just minding his own business before the dogs showed up. Don’t the dog owners have to take any responsibility?

Just taken my two dogs for a quick walk to be greeted by 20+ screaming and shouting kids. Did spot one adult with them so assumed they have just come from the Ski centre so a little hyper.

Wife says shall we turn around. I said no.

I did think it ironic after this thread.

He/she was accepting to the idea of a dog in their life to begin with. I suppose it becomes an issue of who was there first if you want to go that route

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Don’t the dog owners have to take any responsibility?

no they are dog owners, they don’t take responsilbility for anything from poop to attacks on humans 😉

Regardless of your hate for dogs, dog owners, or little children..
I have decided, for us all, it was a problem with lack of diplomacy for both parties.
-Dog did nothing undoglike.
-little girl did nothing unlittlegirllike
-Little girl owner called out the dog owners for his childs unrest.
-Dog owner decided it was his fault that a little girl can get scared.

Scenerio should have gone as follows:
“Hey, can you get your dog please? Thanks.”
“No problem. I apologise, he gets excited sometimes.”
-both parties together-
“Gee, wow, we are happy people today”

I’ll assume you didn’t intend to compare children to dogs. Kids are people, they presumably do have a right to be there, they have the right to be free, and they are entitled to enjoy themselves providing they are not breaking any laws.

A dog has no such right and should not cause a nuisance to others.

We all make mistakes but just have a little consideration for others.

Fed up with dogs, considering their habit of eating children and crapping all over the gaff Im amazed there not restricted to pooch parks.

you missed the bit about the dog owner taking dog control lessons and buying and using a lead to avoid future incidents 😉

Ginger, I am assuming you forgot about the part where the father told the child, “this situation is fine”.
the offence was about, DOG OWNERS, not the dags.

Being a ‘dog owner’ has so far been the worst thing about being a dog owner over the last few months 🙁
I’m embarrassed by other dog owners almost every time I encounter them and their out of control dogs. Me and my dog have been repeated victims of out of control small yappy types. It happens so regularly that I am working on trying to keep my composure next time so I can stick my boot into the offending dogs chops. Generally though I’m concentrating on comforting my own terrified dog, and extracting myself from the area, I usually just hear a faint and distant “sorry!” from the feral dogs owner.

I live in the sticks and the gamekeeper is my neighbour, so I’ve now been able to move to quieter land. I’ve learned to stay away from areas populated by dog walkers.

Edit: And what is it about going to the Vets?! Because I don’t ‘talk’ to my animal in baby language I’m considered somehow strange and eyed with suspicion. They’re animals, they need commanding.
Vet waiting rooms are a whole new level of hell I had before now been blissfully un-aware of.

Should have just booted the mutt in the chops….. they wouldnt have been so posh/fluent then

Should have just booted the mutt in the chops….. they wouldnt have been so posh/fluent then

I could see that working as a way of preventing the whole situation being blown out of all proportions, just run how it works by me again, please?

I love STW – in how completely intolerant of others some seem to be here. Considering it’s a mountain biking forum, I’d have assumed most like to be outside near nature and the fresh air…

Yet all I see on the threads are people moaning about dog owners, walkers and anyone else that might happen to disturb their otherwise utopian existence.

How about just assuming that others cannot possibly live up to the heady heights of the rules you live by and learn to share the same spaces together?

FWIW I think buttercup has the attitude bang on.

I have never had a child steal my picnic or sniff my crotch nor jump up and try to lick my face – let alone run up and bite me

TJ you don’t go to the right parks, or you’re using the wrong bait!!

A dog off the lead is fine; if it’s under control, as the law states.
However, many people just can’t, or won’t, properly control their animals.
A large dog especially should be properly trained so it will return to its owner immediately;
if it doesn’t, then the owner’s failing themselves, their animal, and people who share the space with them.
My brother and sister-in-law have two dogs, their first, a golden Lab, is very intelligent, and has been thoroughly trained to respond to commands at all times. The latest, Mac, is, not to be too unkind, the sharpest button in the box, so is getting professional training sessions. As he’s around three foot tall at the shoulder, and weighs 61/2 stone at six months old, making sure his exuberant personality doesn’t end up with a five year old flattened underneath him is of paramount importance. As he’s very fluffy and cuddly looking, kids are going to be all over him, being correctly trained means he won’t be all over the kids.
That’s what being a responsible owner entails.
Good to see Don Simon’s being his usual reasonable, personable self on here.

Good to see Don Simon’s being his usual reasonable, personable self on here.

Is that because I can’t see why kicking a dog isn’t going to inflame a situation?
Happy to be unreasonable. Assuming that you are able to read and think, you do know that I have had what are considered to be dangerous dogs without incedent. Feel free to consider me a responsible dog owner if you want and/or reasonable person, I really don’t care, but don’t be ill informed about it, please.

Amos, some dog owners just cannot accept that other people have absolutely no interest in their dogs. Just kick the bloody thing next time, I do!

Have you thought about dealing with your fear Oxboy? You cand get treatment if you’re scared of dogs or perhaps you’ll simply grow out of it.
Good luck anyway.

I haven’t been in that situation THANKFULLY but I think if anyone kicked one of my dogs that would be an instant K.O, no questions, no discussion.

pjm84 – Member
I haven’t been in that situation THANKFULLY but I think if anyone kicked one of my dogs that would be an instant K.O, no questions, no discussion.

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Really? Ffs it’s a dog. An animal that has no place in our natural environment and exists only as a folly for a minority of people and you’d commit a criminal act without any concern for the build up of events that led to the preceding situation?

gingerss – Member
Really? Ffs it’s a dog. An animal that has no place in our natural environment and exists only as a folly for a minority of people and you’d commit a criminal act without any concern for the build up of events that led to the preceding situation?

he’s a dog owner, do you really think that anything matters more than FENTON! 😉

Ginger. Did you just read what you wrote?

Yes I did. I wouldn’t ever condone violence to an animal or person. I would certainly challenge any person who I saw doing such a thing, but threatening to knock someone out as retaliation for hitting a dog is ridiculous.

Any dog that is so excitable/poorly trained or just plain thick should be kept on a lead. It has no right annoying anyone other than his owner.

If a big mutt jumps at me, I ask the owner to please take it away as I don’t like them. Only once have they not done so. They got told move it, or Ill kick it away,and theyd get the next boot in the scrote. There is no reason for not controlling your dog. In the event it does annoy some poor sod, you should apologise immediately.

I have a dog and I keep it under control at all times. I also keep my kids under control and do not let them run up and annoy random dogs. They are told to ask the owner if they can pet them first.

Perfectly reasonable IMHO.

Condoning violence is one thing.. but let’s back it up here..

A dog.. no place in our natural environment.

Holy. Living. Christ. You are aware that a dog, like a human, is an animal. A mammal? bred and LIVING on the planet earth. With designed thought and needs such as oxygen, food, and forms of shelter?
I am not sure what environment you live in where humans solely run the show, but I assure you is is not Earth.

A dog, is just the same as a child. Just about as useful. Just as much love given to it. if a child ran up and touched a strangers leg, and said stranger gave the child a smack.. would you accept that? Why would you accept it if it were furry and quadrapedal?

I hate to be rude here, but you are a fool. I am assuming you are in the same category of people who bought a carbon 6in travel bike because it was 10 ouncess lighter than the 2k cheaper bike.

–getting back to the topic.. We are talking about Dog owners being slightly rude.. or have we segwayed into a humantist fascist eutopia storyline?

A dog.. no place in our natural environment.
Holy. Living. Christ. You are aware that a dog, like a human, is an animal. A mammal? With designed thought and needs such as oxygen, food, and forms of shelter?
I am not sure what environment you live in where humans don’t run the show, but I assure you is is not Earth

I thought dogs were domesticated animals that exist as a species because of humans, humans on the other hand, would exist regardless to the existence of dogs 😀

A dog, is just the same as a child. Just about as useful. Just as much love given to it. if a child ran up and touched a strangers leg, and said stranger gave the child a smack.. would you accept that? Why would you accept it if it were furry and quadrapedal?

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A dog as we understand it arrived here through selective breeding. Just trying to differentiate it’s right to freedom relative to other animals that exist in our environment.

Whether I am a fool or not is obviously a matter of your opinion, just have some consideration for others when you are or with your dog, and I will have consideration for you and your dog.

Domestication is a human design indeed. But they would still be there with or without us. Once again.. on earth. Within the ecosystem.

I don’t think anyone wants to really kick a dog. It’s more of a threat to get the owner to look after his dog properly. As the saying goes, ‘ There is no bad dogs, just bad owners.’

But they would still be there with or without us.

errrr no, the original species would be taking a different evolutionary path and you wouldn’t get a Poodle as part of that 😉

I don’t think anyone wants to really kick a dog

I know, they can run really fast when they know you are coming to kick them and are a git to catch.

Has anyone seen…………… FENTON! 😉

Poodle as in the groomed show dog, or one of the most intelligent breed of dog known to the species?
No matter the hair cut, it would still be around.

P.S. BnD, thank you for getting Fenton into my life. It has made my night significantly better. 🙂

buttercup – Member
Poodle as in the groomed show dog, or one of the most intelligent breed of dog known to the species?
No matter the hair cut, it would still be around.

for the avoidance of doubt, you believe that poodles would exist regardless of any interaction with man by any of the canine species for the last 200,000 years?

Domestication is a human design indeed. But they would still be there with or without us. Once again.. on earth. Within the ecosystem.

are you God? I don’t understand how you discount the species becoming extinct through normal evolutionary processes

I’ve been very lucky with dog ownership. I am self employed. When we took on a six month old, nervous wreck of a lurcher from the Dogs’ Trust, I was able to sit up for the first fortnight dealing with his night terrors without fear of being late for work the next day. Lucky, I know.

I was able to clean up his double incontinence at 4a.m. and hose down his cage in the freezing night, before going back inside to wipe him down and resettle him.

His training sessions were frequent – two or three a day before walks for pleasure. This meant working until the early hours to keep my clients happy. I was able to look into various training methods and apply those which worked for the pair of us. Like I say, I’ve been lucky, and I daresay he has too.

He still isn’t perfect – he sometimes takes off after wildlife and ignores me – he’s a lurcher – that’s generations of training for you. Try calling a greyhound off a rabbit; good luck.

All that said, I now specialise in photographing other peoples’ dogs and and am constantly amazed by the total lack of training – most of my client’s dogs aren’t allowed of the leash (which is a right pain in the arse as it has to be photoshopped out) and very few will ‘Sit!’. Surely ‘Sit’ is the most basic of all commands?

Sorry for the long rambling post – all I wanted to say was that it’s really not that hard to invest some time training a dog – it can be done whilst watching the telly. I hope that when Kasper (the current dog) carks it, I’ll have learnt some valuable lessons on training the next one, if I can lift my weeping face from my pillow 🙂